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To: Petronski
Whose interpretation is it, you say?

You still haven't explained why you launched off into using a red-herring when you said that my interpretation of scripture was of no use to you. I gave no interpretation of any specific scripture in the first place. Hence the necessity of my responding the way that I did.

I spoke of the omnipotence and omniscience of God, which even the most elementary of Christians knows of (but of which the ignorant and unlearned do not know of nor grasp). Therefore no interpretation was necessary since I gave no scripture to even interpret in the first place. Hence, there was no need to for you to say that my interpretation of scripture was of no use to you.

God is Omnipotent and Omniscient. It is not my interpretation. That IS scriptural. the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox, and the overwhelming majority of Protestants all believe that God is Omnipotent and Omniscient.

They are all in agreement that God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. Period. The RCC, the Greek Orthodox and almost all Protestant denominations have ALL decided that it is heresy to say that God isn't omnipotent and omniscient or even imply or infer that.

That you would respond “in your interpretation,” concerning the omnipotence and omniscience of God shows that you need to spend less time debating this issue (Mary's perpetual virginity) and get back to more basic doctrines, given your heretical ways and lack of knowledge concerning one of the most elementary of doctrines: the Omnipotence and Omniscience of God.

Now you are using a Straw Man by saying that I am conflating omniscience and omnipotence with rigid predetermination.

Your posts are full of logical fallacies. They hold no significance.

There is no conflation of omnipotence and omniscience with rigid predetermination on my part, given that I am both Calvinist AND Armenian concerning man's free will and God's sovereignty.

How is it both? Simple.

God knew what choices we would make in this universe, but it was God who ultimately decided to bring this universe into existence.

God gave man free will, YET He knew what every humans free will choices would be before He brought this universe into existence. God gave us the free will to make our choices from Adam and Eve until now.

God is still sovereign, though. God chose to bring this universe into existence, the universe in which we made those free will choices that God knew we would make before He even brought this universe into existence.

All of humanity made and does make the choices according to the free will that God gave all of us (Armenianism), but it was God who set those choices in stone (Calvinism) when He brought our choices into existence by creating the universe in which we would make those choices.

Someday hopefully people will begin to grasp all of this.

206 posted on 11/03/2009 2:58:54 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
You still haven't explained why you launched off into using a red-herring when you said that my interpretation of scripture was of no use to you.

Not a red-herring. You offered an interpretation of Scripture that is of no use to me.

I gave no interpretation of any specific scripture in the first place.

Really?

This is your post.

Mary said yes, but it was God who brought her agreeing “Be it done unto me according to thy word,” into existence by first bringing her into existence by first bringing this universe into existence - the universe that He wanted to create - the universe that He knew she would say yes in.
Where did you get that part in quotes? Where did you learn about God creating the universe? Where did you learn about God?

Therefore no interpretation was necessary since I gave no scripture to even interpret in the first place.

Bzzzt.

Now you are using a Straw Man by saying that I am conflating omniscience and omnipotence with rigid predetermination.

You are conflating them:

All of humanity made and does make the choices according to the free will that God gave all of us (Armenianism), but it was God who set those choices in stone (Calvinism) when He brought our choices into existence by creating the universe in which we would make those choices.
"Free" choice set in stone by God is not free.
210 posted on 11/03/2009 3:04:45 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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