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To: Kolokotronis

“TTR, where in heaven’s name did you get the idea. . . “?

I didn’t. Or at least I didn’t mean to give that impression. I know there is some sort of split, but I think the Roman Church/various Eastern Churches (not just Orthodox) split on Marian issue are the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception.

For historical purposes, this (the ever-virgin dispute) has been around for a long time -— it’s not a protestant thing.

Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus, anglicised as Tertullian was a notable early Christian apologist, and became known as “the father of Latin Christianity.”

He had a whole series of splits with what-eventually-became the Roman church, one of which was his rejection of perpetual virginity, contending that James-the-Epistle-writer was, indeed, the half brother of Jesus as the text states, and rejecting some apocryphal text (James proto-something) as a fake.


176 posted on 11/03/2009 1:39:22 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian; wagglebee; Mr Rogers; Ransomed; kosta50; Petronski

“I know there is some sort of split, but I think the Roman Church/various Eastern Churches (not just Orthodox) split on Marian issue are the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception.”

The only dispute any Eastern Christian Church, Orthodox or otherwise, has with official Roman Mariology is the dogna of the Immaculate Conception and, as W points out, that has to do with differing conceptions of the Sin of Adam, not Panagia herself. There is a technical difference about the Assumption. The Eastern Churches have not dogmatized that belief, though I know no Eastern Christian who does not believe that the Most Holy Theotokos was assumed bodily into heaven after her falling asleep in Christ.

Tertullian, btw, died a condemned heretic. he had some extremely bizarre beliefs in his later years.

“(James proto-something)”

The Protoevangelium of James. Here’s a link:

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vii.iv.html


189 posted on 11/03/2009 1:53:01 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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