[GonzoII]

"Obviously, you can't decide, so if you need to call Rome and get back to us..."

Could you give me the right number to your denomination?

Church	Year Established	Founder	Where Established
Catholic	33	Jesus Christ	Jerusalem
Orthodox	1054	Schismatic Catholic Bishops	Constantinople
Lutheran	1517	Martin Luther	Germany
Anabaptist	1521	Nicholas Storch & Thomas Munzer	Germany
Anglican	1534	Henry VIII	England
Mennonites	1536	Menno Simons	Switzerland
Calvinist	1555	John Calvin	Switzerland
Presbyterian	1560	John Knox	Scotland
Congregational	1582	Robert Brown	Holland
Baptist	1609	John Smyth	Amsterdam
Dutch Reformed	1628	Michaelis Jones	New York
Congregationalist	1648	Pilgrims and Puritans	Massachusetts
Quakers	1649	George Fox	England
Amish	1693	Jacob Amman	France
Freemasons	1717	Masons from four lodges	London
Methodist	1739	John & Charles Wesley	England
Unitarian	1774	Theophilus Lindey	London
Methodist Episcopal	1784	60 Preachers	Baltimore, MD
Episcopalian	1789	Samuel Seabury	American Colonies
United Brethren	1800	Philip Otterbein & Martin Boehn	Maryland
Disciples of Christ	1827	Thomas & Alexander Campbell	Kentucky
Mormon	1830	Joseph Smith	New York
Methodist Protestant	1830	Methodist	United States
Church of Christ	1836	Warren Stone & Alexander Campbell	Kentucky
Seventh Day Adventist	1844	Ellen White	Washington, NH
Christadelphian (Brethren of Christ	1844	John Thomas	Richmond, VA
Salvation Army	1865	William Booth	London
Holiness	1867	Methodist	United States
Jehovah's Witnesses	1874	Charles Taze Russell	Pennsylvania
Christian Science	1879	Mary Baker Eddy	Boston
Church of God in Christ	1895	Various churches of God	Arkansas
Church of Nazarene	c. 1850-1900	Various religious bodies	Pilot Point, TX
Pentecstal	1901	Charles F. Parkham	Topeka, KS
Aglipayan	1902	Gregorio Aglipay	Philippines
Assemblies of God	1914	Pentecostalism	Hot Springs, AZ
Iglesia ni Christo	1914	Felix Manalo	Philippines
Four-square Gospel	1917	Aimee Semple McPherson	Los Angeles, CA
United Church of Christ	1961	Reformed and Congregationalist	Philadelphia, PA
Calvary Chapel	1965	Chuck Smith	Costa Mesa, CA
United Methodist	1968	Methodist and United Brethren	Dallas, TX
Born-again	c. 1970s	Various religious bodies	United States
Harvest Christian	1972	Greg Laurie	Riverside, CA
Saddleback	1982	Rick Warren	California
Non-denominational	c. 1990s	various	United States

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[Dutchboy88]

"Could you give me the right number to your denomination?

Certainly...

Those rescued by Grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, applied to all of the elect from the foundation of the World.

Year established: Unknown but about the time of Adam

The founder? God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Looks like we win...

[Mr Rogers]

More the pity that the Catholic Church, under the Bishop of Rome, decided to break away from the Orthodox...

You see, the real problem isn’t with Catholic Doctrine circa 400AD, although some errors were creeping in. The real problem has come from A) an ever-increasing sense of self-importance by the Bishop of Rome, and B) a belief that doctrine develops or ‘unfolds’ over time, so that things not thought of in 50 AD are dogma now.

That evolving dogma first drove away the Orthodox, who refused further to evolve any further (and they had gone too far already), and later forced the Reformers to completely split away.

In 33 AD, Jesus talked about assemblies of people. The NT talks about deacons and elders of congregations. While I understand how elders grew in importance in combating heresy, its flaw was that a hierarchical structure can be turned bad - increasing heresy - by one bad man easier than can a large group of congregations.

Jesus promised the assembly of believers that are His body wouldn’t fail. He gave no promise to an organization that didn’t exist, and that was not authorized by the Apostles. Hence your basic premise is flawed.

No serious review of history would say the Catholic Church started in 33 AD. It was in embryo form in 330 AD, and didn’t start to mature until perhaps 600 AD, as the Bishop of Rome took ever greater power to himself.

The Orthodox stayed truer to their roots, so it would be more accurate to say the Catholic Church was founded in 1054, after it broke away from the Orthodox in the east.