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To: Godzilla
Perhaps you should do a more detailed word study on the subject. Jesus had the power and authority to cast out demons by the legion. God has the power to permit Jesus to speak with the eternal 'spirits' of these men and not demons impersonating them (real meanings of your Deut posting)

There is nothing in scripture to indicate that anyone can talk to the "eternal" spirits of dead men. The prohibition against consulting familiar spirits is exactly because men can't communicate with dead people. Demons know this so they impersonate dead people for various reasons.

It's also not scriptural to suggest that anyone besides Christ already has eternal life:

1Ti 6:15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

Christians have a down payment on eternal life, the holy spirit of God,

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Scripture indicates that the fate of the dead is to sleep in the grave until either Christ returns, if you're a Christian, or until the great white throne judgment if you're not

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

57 posted on 10/31/2009 11:06:41 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
There is nothing in scripture to indicate that anyone can talk to the "eternal" spirits of dead men. The prohibition against consulting familiar spirits is exactly because men can't communicate with dead people. Demons know this so they impersonate dead people for various reasons.

That would be true - if Jesus was just another man. But He was God as well, and as God could do that with the real souls of Moses and Elijah where as necromancers in addition to dealing with demons were worshiping false gods.

It's also not scriptural to suggest that anyone besides Christ already has eternal life:

Fail to look at the scripture then -
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:16* For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:36* He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Joh 5:24* Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Ro 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Ro 6:23* For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Christians have a down payment on eternal life, the holy spirit of God,

It is apparent from the above that Christian have eternal life from the moment of the profession of faith. Timothy citation refers to the Deity of Christ, if you would bother to read the whole passage.

Christians have a down payment on eternal life, the holy spirit of God,

Since the scripture is clear that believers HAVE eternal life BECAUSE we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (God - 3d Person of the Trinity)

Scripture indicates that the fate of the dead is to sleep in the grave until either Christ returns, if you're a Christian, or until the great white throne judgment if you're not

Soul sleep now LOL, getting your sabbatarian groups mixed up. Citiation of the rapture doesn't help your cause since you avoid what scripture clearly says upon death.

2Co 5:6* Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:8* We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

65 posted on 11/01/2009 6:25:47 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: DouglasKC; Godzilla
"It's also not scriptural to suggest that anyone besides Christ already has eternal life"

Very true, but a hard sell to those that have misconstrued "absent from the body, present with the Lord," and those that wish to pray to dead men.

Otherwise how could the "dead" be raised?

75 posted on 11/01/2009 10:58:42 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DouglasKC
Hey Doug, it's been good talking with you again ...

It's been an interesting discussion.

I know I'm going back a bit, ... but earlier you stated ...

It's also not scriptural to suggest that anyone besides Christ already has eternal life:

Would John think so ... ?
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

100 posted on 11/02/2009 4:12:34 PM PST by Quester
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