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To: DouglasKC; MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion
Where does scripture list these fundamental beliefs?

They are listed throughout the Bible and have been compiled by the church. These could contain volumes but include:

Belief in only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Belief in the Trinity (Matthew 28:19, among others)
Belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus (1Co 2:2)
there are many others, but this is adequate for this stage of the discussion

My "roots" are in the Christian church of the 1st century. The Church of God exists independently of any organization. The doctrines of the Church of God have been adhered to and practiced by Christians throughout history, both in organizations and out.

Quaint

The organization I fellowship with, United Church of God, is composed primarily of many who are part of the body Christ. However I'm certain that not everyone who fellowships with United is part of the body of Christ, just as I'm certain that not everyone who claims to be Christian is part of the body of Christ.

Since you bind yourself to that organization, you should be aware of its origins and that ucg is founded upon armstrongism. If you don't want to be a follower of armstrong through his proxy ucg, then perhaps you need to find a real church.

Beats me. I don't follow Herbert Armstrong and never did. He's dead. He was a great promoter of doctrines that have existed throughout history, but as far as I know he didn't come up with anything new.

tsk, tsk doug, I'm disappointed. You follow the doctrines of a group who have founded their doctrinal interpretations upon armstrong's teaching and separated from the wcg because those teachings were being done away with. tsk tsk.

It's not that we become "gods". We don't become God the father. We don't become Christ, the son. That's blasphemy. But we DO become part of God's royal ruling family and joint heirs of EVERYTHING with our older brother Christ.

Tsk, tsk doug, you don't even know the deeper teachings of your group. In a little booklet titled "What Is Your Destiny?" on page 15 it states "But we must be careful here. Human beings are not literally gods—not yet, at any rate. . . . Another aspect of this is that man has the ultimate potential of becoming the same kind of beings the Father and Christ now are.

What is being taught here is that "ontologically" we are equivalent to god, just in the process of being made into a god. How mormonesque of ucg. Best listen to what God says about this :

Isa 43:10* Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

That's not exactly a new belief. The notion of manifest destiny, or the thought of America as a new Israel being blessed by God, has been around for centuries. I'll admit that there's a substantial amount of study needed to verify it biblically....but it can be done.

And has been proven unbiblical over and over again, yet forms the roots of the "Christian Identity" movement - a hyper anti semitic group.

God is a family.

No, God is God in the singular, to say otherwise is to introduce polytheism into the mix, and since ucg believes that others can become gods - they may have strayed into that zone as well.

55 posted on 10/31/2009 10:50:01 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Where does scripture list these fundamental beliefs?
> They are listed throughout the Bible and have been compiled by the church. These could contain volumes but include:

I think you misunderstood my question. Where in scripture does it say you have to believe "X" to be a Christan?

Since you bind yourself to that organization, you should be aware of its origins and that ucg is founded upon armstrongism. If you don't want to be a follower of armstrong through his proxy ucg, then perhaps you need to find a real church.

Hey can I play tear down others too? What denomination do you claim?

58 posted on 10/31/2009 11:25:06 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Godzilla
It's not that we become "gods". We don't become God the father. We don't become Christ, the son. That's blasphemy. But we DO become part of God's royal ruling family and joint heirs of EVERYTHING with our older brother Christ.
Tsk, tsk doug, you don't even know the deeper teachings of your group. In a little booklet titled "What Is Your Destiny?" on page 15 it states "But we must be careful here. Human beings are not literally gods—not yet, at any rate. . . . Another aspect of this is that man has the ultimate potential of becoming the same kind of beings the Father and Christ now are.

Thank you for mentioning the booklet What Is Your Destiny

It makes a clear, scriptural case that God is family, and that we, as his children, are entitled to inherit all things. This shouldn't be a surprise...God modeled earthly things after heavenly things. Earthly families resemble, or should resemble, the heavenly family.

1Jn 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Why do you disagree with John?

Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
Rom 8:21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Dogs beget dogs, humans beget humans, spirit begets spirit. God is spirit.

60 posted on 11/01/2009 12:04:24 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Godzilla
hat's not exactly a new belief. The notion of manifest destiny, or the thought of America as a new Israel being blessed by God, has been around for centuries. I'll admit that there's a substantial amount of study needed to verify it biblically....but it can be done.
And has been proven unbiblical over and over again, yet forms the roots of the "Christian Identity" movement - a hyper anti semitic group.

I hope you're not a Lutheran....

61 posted on 11/01/2009 12:05:42 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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