[Toirdhealbheach Beucail]

I think the elephant in the room that the Methodist Church is missing is that given a choice between a church that professes a liberal agenda and the liberal agenda, individuals will take the liberal agenda. They are looking at effects (we aren’t reaching the 19-34 year age group) rather than causes (why aren’t we reaching them?).

[SeekAndFind]

I think the elephant in the room that the Methodist Church is missing is that given a choice between a church that professes a liberal agenda and the liberal agenda

In other words, why join a politicized church, when I can have the REAL THING --- A political party ?

If all a church does is give me what the secular world already gives, I don't have to go to that church.