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To: Petronski

>>The common confession of Evangelicals and Catholics includes the virginal conception of Jesus and Mary’s role as Theotokos, the God-Bearer. The latter term has been resisted by some believers because it can be (and has been) confused with pagan notions of fertility cults, goddess worship, and Magna Mater. Yet the debates leading up to the Council of Ephesus (431), which defined Mary as Theotokos, were framed by the New Testament witness to the deity of Christ. This title was always christologically driven: It had less to do with the status of Mary than with the unity of divinity and humanity in her son. <<

This isn’t going to go over well with some people on FR.


4 posted on 10/22/2009 11:55:57 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

All of the people who signed this document must be wrong...to get the truth we must go to Machen and his merry klan of Catholic-haters...donchaknow.


6 posted on 10/22/2009 11:58:25 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: netmilsmom; wagglebee; NYer

Actually, “God-bearer” would be a more accurate description of her role than “Mother” - and vastly better than “Queen of Heaven, Spouse of the Holy Spirit”.

For the rest, I’d point out Protestants accept scripture. I respect both Luther and Calvin, but differ strongly with them in a number of areas.

One difference I have with this post’s theology is that it considers the Assumption of Mary “incongruent with Sacred Scripture”. For myself, I see no reason why - scripture is silent on the manner, and God has been known previously in scripture to take someone, so what is the problem?

OTOH, when they write: “Despite all this common ground, however, both Marian dogma and Marian devotion remain contentious issues. Evangelicals understand that the Catholic Church does not equate adoration of God (latria) and veneration for Mary (hyperdoulia). It seems to many Evangelicals, however, that the devotion of some Catholics to Mary can obscure the preeminence, unique sinlessness, and sole salvific sufficiency of Jesus Christ as well as the common pneumatological ground of worship for all Christians who pray “through Christ in the Spirit”, I think they understate the case.

I would LOVE to see Chuck Colson or JI Packer try to defend Papal descriptions of Mary as Spouse of the Holy Spirit, or explain why this Papal proclamation of the Queenship of Mary doesn’t cross the line:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P12CAELI.HTM

Oh, and sorry wagglebee...I don’t do laughing dogs.


28 posted on 10/22/2009 12:54:15 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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