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To: wagglebee

do you believe in prophets and Apostles today in the church ?


101 posted on 10/18/2009 11:40:31 AM PDT by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah

I do not believe YOU are a prophet, an Apostle or part of His Church.


104 posted on 10/18/2009 11:45:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jedediah

There are prophets in the church today.


115 posted on 10/18/2009 12:19:35 PM PDT by marbren
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To: Jedediah; wagglebee
"do you believe in prophets and Apostles today in the church ?"

In the strict sense of the words, no. Apostles needed to be "one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection." - Acts 1

Paul was the exception, chosen by God. He repeatedly defended his apostleship, but since it was marked by raising folks from the dead, most agreed. Interestingly, I don't recall very many occasions where he threatened doubters with being swallowed up by the earth! In fact, he praised those who searched the scriptures to see if what he said was true...

So unless there are some 2000+ year old men running around, no to Apostles.

Prophets needed to give revelation to the early church, since God's Word - the 'God-breathed' writings of scripture - were not available. I believe there may be places where modern day prophets fill a similar role, but God has given us His word, and said that it suffices to thoroughly equip the man of God for every good deed.

God may give a special revelation at times when the need is great, but he has ALREADY given us the revelation we need to be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Note: Sola Scriptura is a double edged sword!

As Jesus noted in a parable, "...And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house— for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'" - Luke 16

Those not convinced by the scriptures will not be swayed by the internet writings of Jeff Kingshott...assuming, Jeff, you are in agreement with scripture. This I do not believe!

BTW, Jeff - when you are working on having the ground in Vail Arizona swallow me up, could you try to have the Border Collie at my feet spared? He is just to the west of me...


117 posted on 10/18/2009 12:26:02 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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