The Zec 12:3 scripture you referenced seems to point to a pretrib rapture to me. Does it to you? I can’t see ‘all’ the people of the earth being gathered against Israel if Christians are still here.
Help! I lean towards pre wrath rapture but would really like to know the truth.
1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day," says the Lord, "I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.'Where exactly do you find the pre-trib rapture theory in that passage? Is it your view that this verse teaches that every living man, woman, and child will literally travel to the middle east to be “gathered against Jerusalem”?
No, I do not think Zec 12:3 is pointing to a pretrib rapture, or am i otherwise convinced of that. One section of Scripture that stands opposed to that is 2 Thess. 2:1-4:
“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [one event] {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [referred to v. 1] {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [v.1] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”
So the anti[alter]Christ must first be revealed.
Good men (such as the prophet Jeremiah) sometimes go thru the time of judgment upon the non-elect, but not their utter destruction, as in the Flood and Sodom.
Zec 12:3 may refer to the time when chastisement comes upon Israel, working to turn it to Christ, which future enlightenment and salvation is clearly foretold in Rm. 11. See http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/israel-chosenorforgotten.html
In any case, we as the church are far from being ready to meet the Lord to be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (2 Pet 3:14)