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To: editor-surveyor

Within the past few weeks Pope Bendict issued an encyclical wherein, although shrouded in much ‘newspeak’, he embraces a world government and the socialism that would entail.


8 posted on 10/13/2009 1:01:07 PM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen

Your tagline says it all.


14 posted on 10/13/2009 1:07:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: IbJensen
Within the past few weeks Pope Bendict issued an encyclical wherein, although shrouded in much ‘newspeak’, he embraces a world government and the socialism that would entail.

Paranoid fantasy.

15 posted on 10/13/2009 1:08:35 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: IbJensen
Did you actually read* Caritas In Veritate; released on 29 June 2009, or are you just regurgitating what you heard on CNN?

*That is a rhetorical question since the encyclical would sail too far over your grape for you to comprehend it.

64 posted on 10/13/2009 2:14:35 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: IbJensen

So he was definitely proposing a kingdom of man, rather than a Kingdom of Christ?


210 posted on 10/14/2009 1:04:41 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Hussein Obama: the country's greatest firearms salesman!)
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To: IbJensen
Gee I wonder why the Pope (in Deus Caritas Est, 2005) specifically opposes the kind of omni-competent, omni-involved government that socialism usually implies.

Of course, it's easy to criticize documents and authors one hasn't read, and to criticize them for things they don't say. It's about as easy and as moral as railroading Rush for stuff he didn't say.

The state which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy, incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person — every person — needs: namely, loving, personal concern. We do not need a state that regulates and controls everything, but a state that, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need. The Church is one of those living forces: She is alive with the live enkindled by the Spirit of Christ. This love does not simply offer people material help, but refreshment and care for their souls, something that often is even more necessary than material support.
The notion of "subsidiarity" is critical to Catholic social thought - and flies in the face of the kind of socialism Obama wants:
This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.
here
The two principles of Solidarity and Subsidiarity are critical to understanding Catholic Social thought. In fact, there is al most a perfect opposition between catholic thought and Zero's thought: We think and teach that the appropriate response to people in need is that of the Good Samaritan, which can be seen as having two aspects:
(1) He recognized that the need of the man whom he encountered was his need - Solidarity.
(2) He took care of it himself - subsidiarity.

The Democrats want us to think that the victim's need is society's or the community's, anybody's need, but not yours -- no solidarity.

And they want us to turn immediately to some government agency to address the need -- no subsidiarity.

Mind you, I gained my very rudimentary understanding of Catholic social teaching by ... study! I did not gain it by reading simple-minded and uninformed critiques

319 posted on 10/15/2009 6:49:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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