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To: NYer

How bizarre. I’ve never before heard of this belief.


3 posted on 09/21/2009 10:18:31 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I believe the idea is that since Jesus took all our sins on himself, he suffered all the punishment for those sins too - ie. eternal suffering times all the people who ever lived.

There is a certain logic to it if you squint really hard and turn your head in exactly the right way.

I don’t buy it myself.


6 posted on 09/21/2009 10:28:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: trisham

Cheeck out the “Jesus Died Spiritually,” and Born Again Jesus” heresies. JDS and BAG are taught in many Word of Faith churches. They try to say that this is Biblically-based Orthodox doctrine, but it is far from it.

What many WOF churches (although not so openly today) teach is that Christ’s nature changed - a denial of the Nicene Creed. Jesus did not go and suffer in hell for three days to atone for man’s sin or for any other reason. The price was paid on the cross.

Jesus nature never changed, Satan did not become Jesus’ master, Jesus did not die spiritually, Jesus was not Begotten in hell and so on, despite what many WOF “preachers and “teachers’ say.


7 posted on 09/21/2009 10:28:41 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: trisham
How bizarre.

What is even more bizarre is a Catholic trying to expound on Calvin, or Scripture...You guys claim you can turn wine into blood and you call Calvin bizarre???

21 posted on 09/21/2009 10:47:33 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: trisham

Here is a simple clarification. Hell and Hades are not the same place. Jesus descended into Hades, but not Hell.

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/did-jesus-go-to-hell-faq.htm


60 posted on 09/21/2009 12:54:32 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: trisham
The Apostles' Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended into hell. [See Calvin]

The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting.

Amen.

333 posted on 09/23/2009 5:08:29 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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