Posted on 09/21/2009 10:14:12 AM PDT by NYer
For those who may be interested in this topic.
How bizarre. I’ve never before heard of this belief.
WTS ought to be called Hyper-Calvinism Seminary. Where else is Dutch a required subject.
If Calvinism is about anything it is about the complete lack of participation on our part in our salvation. God does everything. We are merely passive observers on our predestined paths to Heaven or Hell.
I believe the idea is that since Jesus took all our sins on himself, he suffered all the punishment for those sins too - ie. eternal suffering times all the people who ever lived.
There is a certain logic to it if you squint really hard and turn your head in exactly the right way.
I don’t buy it myself.
Cheeck out the “Jesus Died Spiritually,” and Born Again Jesus” heresies. JDS and BAG are taught in many Word of Faith churches. They try to say that this is Biblically-based Orthodox doctrine, but it is far from it.
What many WOF churches (although not so openly today) teach is that Christ’s nature changed - a denial of the Nicene Creed. Jesus did not go and suffer in hell for three days to atone for man’s sin or for any other reason. The price was paid on the cross.
Jesus nature never changed, Satan did not become Jesus’ master, Jesus did not die spiritually, Jesus was not Begotten in hell and so on, despite what many WOF “preachers and “teachers’ say.
Just to clarify:
Christ’s “once-for-all” sacrifice is eternal. Maybe a wording which cause less confusion than “eternal” these days is “not temporal,” since “eternal” has come to mean “continuing forever,” which is different than the Church has used it in contexts such as these.
That said, it’s interesting if Calvin discarded the correct “eternal sacrifice” of the Mass, while preserving an incorrect notion of eternal sacrifice in Hell.
I think it is exactly backwards. Jesus didn’t take our sins. We take his perfection. As a love gift from God.
from the denomination that brings us Mary the co-redeemer..........pffffft
No wonder the West is full of atheists.
Since we are all by definition sinners does this comment then mean that no one deserves Heaven?
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That is partly correct:
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Isaiah 53 prophesied Jesus’ mission as savior in great detail long before His time here on earth:
53Who has believed what we have heard?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3He was despised and rejected by others;
a man of suffering* and acquainted with infirmity;
and as one from whom others hide their faces*
he was despised, and we held him of no account.
4Surely he has borne our infirmities
and carried our diseases;
yet we accounted him stricken,
struck down by God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions,
crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the punishment that made us whole,
and by his bruises we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have all turned to our own way,
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8By a perversion of justice he was taken away.
Who could have imagined his future?
For he was cut off from the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people.
9They made his grave with the wicked
and his tomb* with the rich,*
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him with pain.*
When you make his life an offering for sin,*
he shall see his offspring, and shall prolong his days;
through him the will of the Lord shall prosper.
11 Out of his anguish he shall see light;*
he shall find satisfaction through his knowledge.
The righteous one,* my servant, shall make many righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will allot him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he poured out himself to death,
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
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Christ is our rescuer, our hero, our King! He is not Calvin's imagined whipping boy.
What does Acts 2:31 say of Christ?
“Years ago while listening”...”I should stop there”
That is not what the Bible says:
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (NASB) 2 Cor. 5:21
All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; but the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him. (NASB) Isaiah 53:6
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18
And you know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. (NASB) 1 John 3:5
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. Isaiah 53:6
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