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To: Monkey Face; DelphiUser; novemberslady
Religion is my choice or not. No one has the right to tell me what to believe.

Well, religion may be your choice -- but not a born-from-above relationship with God the Father:

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13)

#1 Before you can be a genuine son of God, you must first receive his authority (word for "power" in Greek in John 1:12 is exousia -- the authority). Since the Mormon god was always a god wanna-be -- and never had ultimate divine authority (he was always beholden to a higher god)...he has no ultimate authority.

#2 Our being so born from above is never according to "the will of man" -- says John the apostle in John 1:13. So who should we believe -- your "pro-choice" theology or John's saying that it comes down to the will of God?

#3 Notice, too, that John 1:12-13 wreaks havoc with Mormon theology that you were all sons & daughters of Elohim in "the pre-existence." Haven't you ever noticed that underlined word above "become" in John 1:12?

And that word isn't particular to the Bible, either:

...for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters. (Mosiah 5:7)

And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters; And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God. (Mosiah 27:25-26)

So, unlike what your parents may have taught you...
...or your seminary & institute instructors...
...or others...
...Mormons or others "can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God" (Mosiah 27:26) based upon some titled linkage to either some "pre-existence" or simply bearing the Mormon identity.

No, Mosiah 27:25 makes it clear: We have to be changed (past/present tense) from a carnal/fallen state to a current state or righteousness. Are you currently righteous? Are you, as Mosiah said, a new changed creature? -- 'cause if you're not, you "can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God."

11 posted on 09/20/2009 4:42:55 PM PDT by Colofornian
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