Are we looking for a thread-lock tonight???
Posted on 09/20/2009 2:46:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
And that is different how?
Mormonism runs in my family blood...
And...? Your argument is...what?
The key to being part of that heavenly Zion isn't whether you were born Mormon... But whether we're reborn of the Spirit
As I said, YOU are pathetic. You have no clue what you're talking about, and yet you try to convince me that you have the lock on the board when it comes to believing. Get a life, Dude.
Are you telling ME to Take Five?
Not necessary.
The Mormon "Christ" is a pre-existent spirit, they say, like you or me...whose difference is...
(a) mere spiritual birth order--having been first;
(b) was twice made a son of God via Mary; and
(c) died for Adam's sin so folks could be resurrected (his role as Savior).
The true Messiah was born in Bethlehem as the Bible foretold and affirmed post-birth--not like the Mormon jesus of Mormon "scriptures" supposedly born in Jerusalem.
Other than that, the lds jesus is not the Son of God from eternity past. He worked his way up to godhood status. He's not an exalted God-become-man, but an exalted man-become-God. He was an elder spirit bro of Lucipher. Had you or your brother been "first" in that pre-existent spirit world birth order, he could have been Christ!!!
This "jesus" is foreign to the Bible. The Messiah of the Bible shared the glory with the Father in the beginning (John 17:5). This Jesus is THE Son of God, not just a son of God. And THE Son of God did not consider equality with His Father something he couldn't let go of while becoming a man (see Philippians 2). Phil. 2 makes it clear He was already divine, not just a "wannabe" God like Dear Ole Dad.
The True Jesus Christ: Savior, not a Saved Being
In contrast, the Mormon christ is but a "saved being"--a mere creature like dear ole Dad: "Christ is a saved being” (lds apostle McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257) “Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ‘ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth ‘ (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being...” (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234) (Please also see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said the Mormon "jesus" "Needs salvation...Came to earth to work out His own salvation”)
I'm sorry. The real Christ is the Savior of the world: And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be THE Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14; cf. John 4:42).
In contrast, the Mormon christ is one savior among many:
"...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (lds "prophet" John Taylor; Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
No, "saviors of the world" are not plentiful (1 John 4:14; John 4:42).
The Mormon "jesus" really didn't die for our personal sins or our rebellious nature...cause if we get to Mormon heaven we discover the Mormon doctrine of men are subject to punishment for their own sins--not Jesus as our Substitute [LDS second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." The flip side of this belief is that Jesus wasn't punished for our sins--men will be...Jesus was simply punished for Adam's sin to release us to "free agency."]
The True Jesus Christ: Creator of All Things & All Beings, Not Simply a Creature
The Jesus of the Bible created all things--including all angels...including even Lucipher (see Heb 1; John 1; Col. 1:16; see even D&C 93:9-10). This Jesus didn't atone for sins by sweating blood in the garden; He did it on Calvary as the Bible proclaims.
Conclusion:
The Mormon "jesus" upon spirit birth was not unique other than his spirit birth order. He's just one god among millions of Mormon "gods." (Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball not all that long ago told 225,000 gathered that perhaps "225,000 gods" were among them then!!!)
I worship this Messiah, just like God told the angels to do in Hebrews 1:6. And I challenge grassroots Mormons to defy their leaders when they tell them NOT to directly worship Jesus (see Mormon 7:7; 2 Nephi 25:29; 4 Nephi 4:37; 3 Nephi 11:17; 3 Nephi 17:10).
I directly pray to this Jesus as Stephen did in Acts (7:59) -- and even as the supposed Book of Mormon disciple characters DIRECTLY and repeatedly did to Jesus in 3 Nephi 19: 6-26...again -- a Mormon "scripture" de-emphasized & ignored by Mormon leaders.
Thomas calls Jesus his God in John 20:28; even the Nephite disciples likewise called Jesus “their Lord and God” (3 Nephi 19:18). D&C says Jesus is God (19:4; 62:1; etc.) Since there’s only one true God in the bible and in the LDS scriptures (for example, Pearl of Great Price says "no God besides me" (1:6), either Jesus is a false god or the one true God. As Jesus Christ is a God to Thomas (John 20:28) -- so Thomas has two gods?
Jesus Christ is my Lord, my Savior, my God! He is the Only Lord, the Only Savior, the Only True God!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Bearing a testimony...
That sounds about as painful (and maybe more so) as bearing a child..
And has even less enthusiasism for the males in mormonism..
Where’s the Go Ye message ???
As in “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature”..Mark 16:15
Silly Nana...
The Go Ye commandment is Christianity...Told by Jesus to His followers...
This is a different Jesus...a different religion...
This crowd do not follow Jesus...
They follow some old dead white guy who called himself “the prophet”
Mormonism is kind of an Alien Nation religion...
Christianity is for “every creature” ... regardless of race or gender..
Oh, well...Never mind...
:)
You can stop pinging me...
Are we looking for a thread-lock tonight???
As I said: anyone can quote Scripture, and it seems they who quote it most are those most ill-equipped to deal with the reality.
You are preaching to the choir, and I’m not impressed. I need no Scripture to verify my belief and love in Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savoior.
If you’re looking for an audience, I would suggest you take some courses in theology. Learn all you can about the “bastard” church call “Mormonism.” It will never leave this earth, no matter what you or anyone else does, or says. We, as believers in Jesus Christ as our Saviour, are here to stay.
“His Life needs nothing but our Testimonies!”
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Well, maybe that “other Jesus” of mormonism does...
But the Jesus of the Bible doesnt need “our testimonies” to bring Him to life...
He lives and is whether or not we believe and “testify” of Him...
Jesus is God...
He OWNS life...
Jesus doeant need anything from us...
We need Him..
He gives us LIFE...
Not the other way around..
WHOA!
Hi, Foxxy! No, not looking for a tongue-lashing, tonight. Just verifying my love for Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour.
But thanks for the reminder!
From Wiki....I always pictured Brubeck with hives when I heard that...scratching, scratching, reaching for places his arms wouldn't go to....
Eh ???
Then bear your testimony. (Just -- as you define your jesus -- please tell us if you distinguish your jesus from how the Mormon jesus is defined in post #23?)
IOW...is your jesus a savior AND a saved being?
...is your jesus one savior among many?
...is your jesus one god among many?
...is your jesus one who can be prayed to directly? (3 Nephi 19:6-26)
...is your jesus one who can receive worship from you "with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul" (2 Nephi 25:29)???
...And if you adhere to 2 Nephi 25:29, how many gods do you worship whole-souled? Whole-strength? Whole-minde? Whole-might?
Thank you for the AWESOME lift!!!
You rock, Girl!
You are SO confused! I said it loud and clear and if you can’t understand it, then....ohwell....
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HAhahahahahahaha!
You DID jump into the middle and if you knew as much as you think you and colofornian do, you’d give up while y’all are still ahead!
And I DO “get it.” All I can do is pray for y’all.
;o]
You're right. Mormons do confuse me. Some say they worship only one god. Others point to Mormon 7:7 and say they worship 3 gods. Bruce McConkie, an Lds apostle, said in 1966 version of Mormon Doctrine that they worship 2 gods and they worship 3 gods...(talk about confusing when an apostle can't even get that straight within the same published book!!!)
Then by 1982, McConkie was telling BYU students that "we" are to only worship ONE God -- 'cause D&C 20:19 says Mormons only worship one God.
So are you a one-god worshiper? (A D&C 20:19 Mormon?)
Or are you a two-god worshiper? (The verses I cited in post #23 which says to worship Jesus)
Or are you a three-god worshiper? (A Mormon 7:7 Mormon?)
Are you a direct prayer to the Father only Mormon? Or are you a 3 Nephi 19 Mormon?
(It's all so confusing to us mere Gentiles)
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