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To: Claud
There are millions and millions of baptized Catholics who are now and will be in hell. Baptism gets you in the door, but it doesn't guarantee you will make it to the end.

That's my point...I'm convinced the bible is clear that you can not be in the Body of Christ unless you belong to Jesus, right now...And if you end up in hell, you never were a member of the body of Jesus Christ...

65 posted on 09/17/2009 9:17:24 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
That's my point...I'm convinced the bible is clear that you can not be in the Body of Christ unless you belong to Jesus, right now...And if you end up in hell, you never were a member of the body of Jesus Christ...

Yes, that's classic Protestant soteriology and ecclesiology: the Body of Christ as a collection of believers who cannot lose salvation. I think the parable I mentioned suggests the opposite though. The Kingdom of Heaven is one garden, in which both wheat and tares grow--the good and the bad. It is not a collection of good wheat plants from different gardens.

And by the way, I accept that the Bible teaches a *moral* assurance of salvation...that if we are faithful to Christ, He will be faithful to us no matter our sins. I just reject the idea that it is an *absolute* assurance. Because then you get into the whole logical trap of:

"Well, believer X fell away. I guess he was never a believer in the first place."

"Really, he sure acted like one!"

"I guess he wasn't though." *shrug*

"Hm. But how do know *I* am really a believer and not acting?"

In my opinion, this line of thinking actually can seriously undermine a believer's confidence in the mercy of Christ--and paradoxically lead to serious doubts of salvation. Simpler to accept that believers can and do fall away and lose salvation for a number of reasons.

67 posted on 09/17/2009 9:38:38 AM PDT by Claud
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