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US Church leaders urge Catholics to engage in health care debate
Independent Catholic News ^ | September 15, 2009 | Maria del Mar Muñoz-Visoso

Posted on 09/16/2009 7:48:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Alex Murphy
Holding the bishops accountable is someone else's job. Namely, the Protestants.

Then we are all in trouble, there is no way they will listen to a bunch of Evangelicals.

21 posted on 09/16/2009 3:43:25 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: markomalley; wmfights; Alex Murphy; wagglebee; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; narses
As it stands, the Church was never established to be a democracy or republic, so it's not like we can fire them.

Excellent observation, Mark. The only thing I can add to your comment is to point our fellow freepers to a thread from July 2007.

Catholics in some places face situations in which it seems the bishop turns a blind eye to heterodoxy and dissent—or even appears to give them his blessing. Faced with such dysfunctional diocesan environments, they naturally look to Rome for relief and redress, but often are disappointed to find that help is slow in coming, if it ever comes at all.

By "do something" people usually mean that they want the pope to discipline the bishop, to apply pressure on him to adhere more closely to Church teaching, or even to remove him. But most of us—while from time to time sharing such wishes or even voicing them—don’t know exactly what can be done about a bad bishop. So I’ll address a couple of common misconceptions about the bishop’s role and his relationship to the universal church, and I’ll explain how the Church sees these things, both in its teaching and tradition.

Here is the thread: Why Doesn't the Pope Do Something about "Bad" Bishops? . It is well worth the read.

22 posted on 09/16/2009 3:46:05 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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But as far as getting the deacons and elders together and voting out the current preacher and replacing him with another one...don't work that way.

I guess that's why RC's are not great allies to have. It's too bad, we share a lot of agreement on social issues, especially life, but your hierarchy dictates that a centralized authority is the best way to solve these problems and we look to individual empowerment. If you have to just do what they say to be good RC's there's not much hope for the future.

23 posted on 09/16/2009 3:49:19 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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I guess that's why RC's are not great allies to have. It's too bad, we share a lot of agreement on social issues, especially life, but your hierarchy dictates that a centralized authority is the best way to solve these problems and we look to individual empowerment. If you have to just do what they say to be good RC's there's not much hope for the future.

Why should it matter what an apostate priest says or does if his congregation will be your ally?

24 posted on 09/16/2009 4:05:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The US Bishops' Conference today issued the following article by Maria del Mar Muñoz-Visoso, Assistant Director of the Office of Media Relations, entitled: 'Make your voice heard in the health care debate'.

Doesn't look like a apostate priest.

It really is an organizational issue. The big centralized bureaucratic solution always gets supported and the members are expected to fall in line.

25 posted on 09/16/2009 4:11:53 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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I’m pretty sure that the Church hierarchy would be completely behind the health care bill IF it was pro-life. The fact that it is pro-death and will NEVER be pro-life makes the Church’s position a moot point. Also, “make your voice heard” can mean OPPOSITION.


26 posted on 09/16/2009 4:15:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Also, “make your voice heard” can mean OPPOSITION.

Do you really think that's the case? If so why not come out and say so.

The fact that it is pro-death and will NEVER be pro-life makes the Church’s position a moot point.

Just like disciplining RC's that support abortion.

27 posted on 09/16/2009 4:19:54 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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Do you really think that's the case? If so why not come out and say so.

From the article:

Following Catholic social teaching, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:

- Supports universal health coverage which protects the life and dignity of all, from conception to natural death, especially those who are poor and vulnerable.

- Opposes any efforts to expand abortion funding, mandate abortion coverage, or endanger the conscience rights of health care providers and religious institutions.

28 posted on 09/16/2009 4:28:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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