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To: mkjessup

I freely admit that your version of the Gospel is more appealing to the world than the Gospel that I know and love. Your simple “say the sinner’s prayer” approach is sure to excite more people than the “repent of your sin and believe” message that is laid out in the Bible, but without repentance and belief in all that Christ claims to be, the person who simply prays the “sinners prayer” is condemned.

Unfortunately nobody will be saved by reciting a prayer, and I hope and pray that you come to see the truth. In the meantime, I will pray that all you come in contact with will dig deeper into the Word than you have done.

You obviously think that you’re clever, but remember:

“Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? - 1 Corinthians 1:20

“The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.” - 1 Corinthians 2:14

“Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, ‘He catches the wise in their craftiness.’ and again, ‘The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.’” - 1 Corinthians 3:18-20


144 posted on 09/17/2009 11:30:51 AM PDT by paulist
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To: paulist
I freely admit that your version of the Gospel is more appealing to the world than the Gospel that I know and love. Your simple “say the sinner’s prayer” approach is sure to excite more people than the “repent of your sin and believe” message that is laid out in the Bible, but without repentance and belief in all that Christ claims to be, the person who simply prays the “sinners prayer” is condemned.

Let's revisit this whole 'repent and believe' non-issue that you have created. At no time have I stated, suggested or implied that repenting and believing is not necessary, you are ascribing those words to me and that is false.

Secondly, someone who prays any variation of that Sinner's Prayer that you so clearly dislike, by virtue of the very words they are saying (or thinking, for God knows our every thought), they ARE repenting, for what is it if not repentance that brings a human soul to confess to God that "they are a sinner" and "lost" except for the atoning death of Jesus Christ? Would someone wallowing happily in their sins express such sentiments? I think not. Furthermore, the mere act of praying in that manner demonstrates that they MUST believe, why else would they seek mercy and forgiveness from Almighty God, in the person of His Son Jesus Christ? Is it possible that some sly sinner might 'mouth the words' as you like to say, in hopes of somehow slipping under the Gates of the Kingdom of God? Of course, it's possible in a hypothetical sense but to what end? Surely you don't think that God will be fooled do you? Of course not.

Unfortunately nobody will be saved by reciting a prayer, and I hope and pray that you come to see the truth. In the meantime, I will pray that all you come in contact with will dig deeper into the Word than you have done.

You know nothing about me and you are making assumptions that you are unable to prove. It is a given that once a person invites Christ into their heart to be their Savior that going into the Word is mandatory. That was never in question in this discussion.

You obviously think that you’re clever


You've made another assumption for which you have no evidence. However your snide comment about 'casting pearls before swine' certainly qualifies. From the beginning of our interactions, every post you have made has consisted of aggressive, bordering on hostile intent and the posts are all there for anyone to see. You are yourself guilty of attempting to be clever and you ought to know that. You say you have no idea what I'm talking about? Say the word and I'll be happy to point those posts out to you.

but remember:
“Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? - 1 Corinthians 1:20
“The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.” - 1 Corinthians 2:14
“Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, ‘He catches the wise in their craftiness.’ and again, ‘The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.’” - 1 Corinthians 3:18-20

I encourage you to meditate on those Scriptures. I make no claim at being clever, wise or sly. I have never (contrary to your false assertions) suggested that repenting and believing is NOT required for salvation, and again: you know that.

Any wisdom I might have, has been graciously given to me by Almighty God.
145 posted on 09/17/2009 12:14:59 PM PDT by mkjessup
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