Posted on 09/15/2009 8:21:31 AM PDT by Colofornian
Why not?
Their founder has slandered ALL of Christendom and HE ain't around to answer for his slurs and lies; so those who think he was RIGHT will have to do the job.
Do you want to help them out?
Oh MY!
I've just come thru Ely, NV and the town is PLASTERED with..
Vote for ANYONE
BUTT
Harry Reid
signs!
mormons are "secret" about so much because they have nothing to back them up; no anthropological or archaeological fabric of fact - whatsoever. ZERO.
And they KNOW IT.
That's why they have such zaney rules and regs; that's why their church isn't open to the public. Too easy to find bogus holes bigger than swiss cheese.
And that's fine, if they'd just stop calling themselves "Christian". Obviously. They aren't even close.
And Joe Smith loved alcohol. How dare he prevent others from imbibing. Makes no sense. But then again.....nothing from Joe makes any sense.
Enough wasted time.........
How can someone who wants so BADLY that MORMONS be considered CHRISTIAN, hypocritically say the Flds folks are NOT MORMON?
At least they FOLLOW D&C 132 - unlike the spineless folks who kowtow to the Leaders of the SLC branch of MORMONism.
So when the rich young ruler came up to Jesus and asked what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus should have just led him in “the sinner’s prayer”?
How dare Jesus challenge the man to “follow me”, when salvation comes from just mouthing some words (according to you).
“Because Jesus never sinned, by the Law, He could have chosen to literally live forever in the earthly body that He had”
Where do you get such nonsense? Can you provide a scriptural basis for this, or is this just your personal thought?
“If they offend anyone, to put it as my earthly (and earthy) personality does so often, “too damn bad”.”
“the Big Wheel is Jesus, and He doesn’t need to be re-invented, re-packaged, re-painted or any of that, He only needs for us to RE-PEAT what He has said, and I try to do that at every opportunity that I have”
Yeah, I can hear Jesus saying that.
I think you need to talk to Jesus, you obviously have anger issues.
My issue isn’t with anger, it’s with people who misquote and twist scripture to fit their own thoughts of God.
You wrote: “If any unsaved soul prays that prayer, then according to the Word of God — THEY ARE SAVED! AMEN!”
If this is truly ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD, you should be able to give us the chapter andd verse. I’m waiting.
If you cannot, you are misleading others who might be reading, and don’t have the sense to check what you’re saying against Scripture.
Listening to the likes of Joel Osteen and the other “name it and claim it” preachers leads to error such as this.
Saying that I have anger issues or a chip on my shoulder because I challenge you on what is and isn’t written in the Word of God is much like liberals calling conservatives racist because they dare challenge Obama - cheap shot.
First of all, let’s get one thing straight:
I view Joel O’Steen as a phony and a fraud, ok?
Now that is out of the way, you want Scripture?
Here’s Scripture:
1. “In Jesus Christ we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ...” (Ephesians 1:7)
2. “To Jesus Christ all the prophets witness that, through His Name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” (Acts 10:43)
3. “For this is My Blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Jesus quoted in Matthew 26:28)
4. “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; and I will not remember your sins.” (Isaiah 43:25)
5. “Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities ... For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.” (Psalms 103:2,11)
6. “If we confess our sins, He [Jesus Christ] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
And I still contend that you have a chip on your shoulder.
But God Bless You Anyway! :-)
I don’t know why it bothers you so much what I believe. It’s still a free country.
My faith is precious to me. Your faith is precious to you. It’s the same Jesus Christ who is our Savior.
Let’s leave it at that.
Which one of those Scrpture passages was supposed to confirm your “sinner’s prayer” statement?
May the God of all grace bless you as well.
Not according to mormon definition SD.
Which one of those Scrpture passages was supposed to confirm your “sinner’s prayer” statement?
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’, and not do what I tell you? - Luke 6:46
“This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men”.
While you may not have meant to say what you did the way you said it, telling people “If any unsaved soul prays that prayer, then according to the Word of God — THEY ARE SAVED! AMEN!” is deadly, and is a doctrine of man. The Word of God says no such thing. It’s not for us to soften the edges of the Gospel or make it more appealing to the world.
May the God of all grace bless you as well.
I stand by the Scriptures I cited, as the foundation for the Sinner’s Prayer in all of it’s variations, but common to all of those variations is:
We confess that we are sinners, utterly without hope by virture of our own efforts or deeds and repent of those sins.
We profess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ IS that One, solitary Way in which we might be saved, by the shedding of His Blood for the redemption of our sins.
We believe that by virtue of His Name, and by the Promises of His Word, that we are indeed SAVED.
It is a common error for many who come to Salvation in Jesus Christ, to think that a.) they will no longer sin, and when they do, b.) their thoughts are filled with lies by those who would whisper and sneer “you’re no Christian, look what you’ve done! Jesus wouldn’t want anything to do with you NOW!” and that is a demonic tactic straight from Hell itself.
The truth is, we will continue to sin until the day we die, in deed and/or thought, because our earthly bodies are corrupt, and that is why they will eventually die. Our souls however, bought with a great Price by Christ, will survive the death of that imperfect and sinful body, and will live forever in the Presence of Almighty God.
Salvation is not complicated, it was made deliberately simple by God in His Infinite Mercy.
Since you find it so difficult to admit, I’ll do it for you; the sinner’s prayer isn’t in the Word of God. Jesus never told anyone to recite a prayer, he commanded men to repent and believe.
“Salvation is not complicated, it was made deliberately simple by God in His Infinite Mercy.”
Well apparently there are going to be MANY people who find it far more “complicated”.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day MANY will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ - Matthew 7:21-23
Who are these people who acknowledge Christ as Lord, and yet do not inherit eternal life?
“The Sinner’s Prayer:
“Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless You save me I am lost forever. I thank You for dying for me on the Cross and paying for my sins. I come to You now, Lord, just as You said in Your Word, the best way I know how, and ask You to save me. I now receive You as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.”
If any unsaved soul prays that prayer, then according to the Word of God — THEY ARE SAVED! AMEN!
God’s Word says if you receive and trust in Jesus Christ you are saved. It does NOT say you “might” or “could” be saved — but “shall be saved”. YOU ARE SAVED!”
If this is your idea of the Gospel, then I recommend you spend some time with your Bible OPEN and quit watching so much TBN.
Jesus NEVER told anyone to pray a prayer FOR SALVATION. Praying a prayer will not save anyone, Jesus told men to repent of their sin and believe on Him. Leaving out the repent and believe part is preaching another gospel. Men will not be saved without REPENTANCE.
“It’s the Jesus Christ Express Card - Don’t Leave Earth Without Him”
The “Jesus Christ Express Card” huh? Is that anything like the “Jesus Christ get out of jail free card” or the “Jesus Christ fire insurance policy”?
If I’d have read the tagline the first time, I wouldn’t have bothered.
“Sounds like you’re seeking a reason to disengage”
A certain verse about casting pearls before swine comes to mind, as a matter of fact.
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