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To: Campion

“I also should point out that we are offering precisely that same “once for all” sacrifice of which you speak. Not a new sacrifice, not a different sacrifice.”

Yes, you ARE offering a sacrifice that WAS made. Guess God didn’t know how to write - he meant an ongoing sacrifice, always before him - but didn’t know how to say it. So instead he used the past tense, and said “once for all’.

As for your ‘altar’, in a sense we do, as the writer of Hebrews noted. Here is the passage:

“9 Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them. 10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals whose blood is brought into the holy places by the high priest as a sacrifice for sin are burned outside the camp. 12 So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. 13 Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. 14 For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come. 15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.”

In this analogy, Jesus is the altar. When blood was offered as a sacrifice for sin, the body of the animal was burnt outside the camp.(v 11) Jesus, likewise, suffered outside the gate (v 12). Therefor, lets go to Him outside the gate, and offer...what? Jesus again?

No! “Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.”

Those who haven’t come to Christ cannot offer such a sacrifice, but we can - of PRAISE and DOING GOOD!

It helps to read chapters instead of partial verses.


79 posted on 09/06/2009 10:40:06 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Campion; Mr Rogers
“I also should point out that we are offering precisely that same “once for all” sacrifice of which you speak. Not a new sacrifice, not a different sacrifice."

I had a good Labor Day breakfast this morning...It was not the same or a continuation of the Labor Day breakfast I ate in 1959...That breakfast is gone...Never to be repeated...

Jesus died once...Never to die again...And never to continually die...

Jesus can not continually die...Jesus is not on the Cross...

Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

The scripture does not allow for your interpretation nor your tradition...

IF your religion wants to make the claim that it's priests turn a wafer into the flesh of Jesus and that they turn wine into the blood of Jesus, that's fine....

IF your religion wants to claim Jesus is still on the Cross with you guys re presenting His sacrifice for you on a daily and hourly basis, that's fine as well...

But don't then drag the scriputres into it...That portion of your theology has nothing to do with scripture...In fact, it's contrary to scripture...

Jesus is not here...He is risen, never to be sacrificed nor continue to be sacrificed again...

Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

It is finished and had been for 2000 years...

132 posted on 09/07/2009 8:29:44 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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