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To: Mr Rogers
http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/09/compendium-of-reforms-of-roman-breviary_09.html

Just pro forma, and not kidding around, with respect to a Pope I would consider his "official" acts as fruit. His personal scoundrelitude would be more like bark or leaves or something.

402 posted on 09/09/2009 8:34:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Total whoops!

I repent and will leave multi-tasking to the wimmins henceforth. That URL was supposed to be in an email I was writing at the same time.

The quote was supposed to be where Mr. Rogers says that buying the office was a "fruit".
404 posted on 09/09/2009 8:42:15 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

If official acts are ‘fruit’, then a man can be an unrepentant adulterer, and still be a minister of God - provided he doesn’t offer any ‘teaching’ on the subject.

Paul tells us what to look for:

“1 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. 9 They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. 11 Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. 13 For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.”

There are also passages talking about those who teach bad doctrine, so it isn’t ONLY behavior that counts, but doctrine as well. Still, apart from the married/unmarried thing, the list above means a number of Popes had no business being a deacon, let alone anything higher.


406 posted on 09/09/2009 8:48:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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