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To: Rutles4Ever
One could also charge that the Son of God would never commission a man like Judas to be an Apostle, who would betray Him for thirty pieces of silver.

You figure Jesus would have commissioned Judas to be an apostle after Judas betrayed Jesus???

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

You thinkin' one of those foundations has the name of Judas on it???

Even Pilate received his power from God, according to Jesus Christ Himself. Care to object?

Pilate didn't have power...He had authority...OF course I object...There's no way Jesus would have given authority to a man to be in charge of His church when that man bought the position...And there's no way Jesus would have given that man apostolic succesion...

The real fact is there is NO man that's in charge of Jesus' church...

401 posted on 09/09/2009 8:32:54 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
You figure Jesus would have commissioned Judas to be an apostle after Judas betrayed Jesus???

You figure Jesus didn't know he would betray Him?

You thinkin' one of those foundations has the name of Judas on it???

Nope. And there are probably popes who are in hell, but guess what, even so, the Holy Spirit has proven time and time again that, in spite of the worst personal failings of His vicar, He will not teach any error in faith or morals when the pope instructs the Church.

Pilate didn't have power...He had authority...

John 19:9-11

9 And he entered into the hall again, and he said to Jesus: Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.

10 Pilate therefore saith to him: Speakest thou not to me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and I have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered: Thou shouldst not have any power against me, unless it were given thee from above. Therefore, he that hath delivered me to thee, hath the greater sin.

OF course I object...There's no way Jesus would have given authority to a man to be in charge of His church...

He gave authority to Judas. Why?

And there's no way Jesus would have given that man apostolic succesion

You don't understand Apostolic succession. It's like saying you can't be your mother's son.

The real fact is there is NO man that's in charge of Jesus' church...

"church" implies heirarchy. A body without a heirarchy is not a body. He who is in charge of the Catholic Church is the Holy Trinity, acting through Peter, it's visible head.

409 posted on 09/09/2009 9:31:15 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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