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To: Zionist Conspirator
Exactly. It is a first hand account by G-d Himself. As a matter of fact, the Torah was written 974 generations before the world was created.

Prove it.

Of course it is. But it is still literally and historically true.

No one said it isn't. The world was created. God created it. When He created is unknown to us.

There is no such thing as a "scientific explanation of Creation," since Creation is a matter of theology and history, not "science."

History is science, by the way. And there's no scientific explanation of the miracles you cited in the New Testament. You can explain them away as easily as someone can say the universe was created by Bill Gates.

Just because G-d said something happened doesn't mean it did. Right. Got it

Because God said it? Or because the author of Genesis (probably Moses) said it? Your belief is achingly Islamic.

Do you know how silly and meaningless it is for you to say that the universe "looks" such-and-such an age? When Adam was created, by our standards, he looked like an adult, yet he had never been a child since he was created with an adult body. That being the case how can science possibly pronounce on the age of the universe?

Why did God create time, if that's the case? (tick tock...tick tock...)

Adam wasn't created by our standards. He was created from the dust of the earth. So the analogy does not apply.

Yes, just like the creation of the universe from nothing has described in Genesis.

The creation occurred before time, so what does that have to do with the age of the earth?

Gynecology also isn't a scientific subject, so I guess J*sus couldn't have possibly been born of a virgin, could he?

A virgin birth is supernatural by definition. Scientifically inexplicable. There is nothing "supernatural" implied by the age of the earth, since time is nothing more than a measure of the movement of heavenly bodies,i.e., scientific.

The fact that you think G-d is all about something you call "salvation" is your problem. The Torah is not about salvation. It is the blueprint, the DNA, the genetic code of everything. It's what you Notzerim call the "Logos." More proof that chr*stianity is inherently flawed by nature.

Bitter much?

Gotcha. "Science" can tear the Holy Torah to shreds but daren't open its mouth about your precious "superior" chr*stian "miracles." Your religion is better. G-d never did anything supernatural until two thousand years ago. Up until then nobody knew anything. Got it. Um--why don't you people just throw the "old testament" out since its literal truth is so dangerous to your religion?

So does the sun move from east to west, as it is stated in the Old Testament? Just sayin'.

Since I've already said numerous times that Creation is supernatural, the rest of your rant in the above paragraph is rather bizarre.

You also haven't quizzed me on manna, Aaron's staff, the handing down of the Ten Commandments, parting of the Red Sea, etc., all of which were supernatural interventions of God, so I don't understand how you can paint me as someone who doesn't believe anything supernatural took place in the O.T. The subject is Creation and the age of the earth, not every other event that took place in the O.T.

You know, it isn't just Genesis you people don't believe in. There's the whole thing about the Book of Daniel being a pseudepigraph from the Maccabeean period disguised as a prophecy of the future from the past. You want to take a break and defend that little gem?

There isn't enough LSD in the world to match wits with your kind of logic. Pass.

363 posted on 09/08/2009 1:24:26 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Rutles4Ever; wagglebee

This theological debate is going to have to be postponed for now due to one of life’s little tragedies (though it certainly doesn’t seem “little” right now). I will post the details on the chat board. Thank you.


369 posted on 09/08/2009 3:52:21 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu; vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad-`olam la`asot 'et-kol-divrey HaTorah)
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