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To: Rutles4Ever; NYer
No one in the official Church has ever put forth that the pope enjoys personal perfection. The only ones who claim this are her enemies,

You guys take the cake...I didn't make the claim...One of your own did in post 320...

not one pope (no matter how bad) has ever erred in matters of faith or morals.

338 posted on 09/08/2009 9:02:10 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; Rutles4Ever; NYer; Petronski
IsCool:

If I may intrude with a technical point: If anyone posted anything in #320 to the effect that "the pope enjoys personal perfection", it must have been you since #320 is your post. From your posting history, I had suspected you not to be a Catholic. What was the meaning of "one of your own" in this context?

347 posted on 09/08/2009 10:01:04 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Iscool

How is not erring in matters of faith or morals equivalent or identical to enjoying personal perfection? They seem very different to me, as different as the clear water and the rusty and cracked conduit which brings it to me.


351 posted on 09/08/2009 10:43:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Iscool

How do “faith and morals” in this statement refer to the personal dimension of the individual? Faith and morals have always fallen under the office of the pope, not the individual in that office. Just like the office of President carries specific powers, regardless of the character of the person in the Oval Office.

Once again, I’ll ask it - and I’m sure you won’t answer it -why did Jesus pick Peter to guide his flock, if the requirement is personal perfection?


362 posted on 09/08/2009 1:00:18 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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