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To: PugetSoundSoldier
PSS- from #297-"The Word of God is quite explicit, especially in John 3:18.

He that "does not believe" does not apply to the ignorant! It applies to those who TURN AWAY WILLINGLY from Christ's Law of Love. Everyone knows it is wrong to murder, to lie, to treat their parents poorly. They know it is wrong because they condemn others who do it, either to others or them! Thus, we ALL have a conscience. We ALL can follow this Law within us, with God's grace. A person who "does not believe" is NOT a person who is ignorant, but one who REJECTS God.

STF-"What if a muslim who never knew Christ gave up his own life to save your child from a burning car. Would you say he deserves to go to hell?"

PSS-I would say that Christ says he is going to hell. Christ's words, not mine. Unequivocal, indisputable. And that is why Christ gave us the Great Commission, to spread the message of Christ and His salvation.

You interpret it that way because it allows YOU to condemn those who don;t agree with you and your personal interpretation of a book (The Bible).

I can see why non Christians who love would reject what you preach.

316 posted on 09/07/2009 7:03:20 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
It applies to those who TURN AWAY WILLINGLY from Christ's Law of Love.

Such as the Muslims who are taught that Jesus was a great prophet, but not the Son of God as He claimed. That is not willingly turning away from Christ?

And what about Jesus' claims to be the only path to the Father? NO ONE comes to the Father but through Jesus. His words.

Everyone knows it is wrong to murder, to lie, to treat their parents poorly.

In the Koran, it is fully acceptable to lie to non-Muslims. Apparently not everyone knows it's wrong to lie; some cultures and religions encourage it! In the case of the Muslim culture, lying to non-Muslims earns you good works to get to Heaven; they actively ENCOURAGE lying as a means to salvation!

You interpret it that way because it allows YOU to condemn those who don;t agree with you and your personal interpretation of a book (The Bible).

No, I take the Words of Christ at face-value. He claimed to be the ONLY way to the Father; there is NO other way. It is the Catechism and the Catholic Church that has invented this way for non-believing Muslims to be saved without Jesus.

Tell me, where in the New Testament does it say or indicate a way to salvation that does NOT include Christ? How can a man be saved without Jesus?

I can see why non Christians who love would reject what you preach.

Christianity, and the claims of Christ, are quite radical. They are confrontational, and they are absolute. As a father loves his children by exercising authority and discpline, God loves us. It is unconditional, but to be with Him we must accept His rule. And that rule is: Jesus is the only way to be with Him.

And given the weakness the Catholic Church shows in the most fundamental of all Christian beliefs (that Jesus is the only way to salvation), I can see how Catholics are leaving the church, because that same church has put the Rodney-King-Approach to religion (can't we all just get along) ahead of the Words of Christ.

Please rectify your claim that a Muslim who denies Christ implicitly (in their religious upbringing), and who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as the Savior, can enter into the kingdom of Heaven when Jesus' own words are counter to that.

318 posted on 09/08/2009 3:27:29 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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