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To: Petronski
Catechism 841:

The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Tell me how this does not say that Muslims who simply acknowledge the Creator will be saved.

144 posted on 09/07/2009 8:47:22 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

“Plan of Salvation” does not equate to “are saved.”

The Catholic Church speaks with confidence of the salvation only of the Saints. “Once saved always saved” is a false tradition of men.


146 posted on 09/07/2009 8:49:53 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; Petronski

PSS-Referring to the Catechism-””Catechism 841:
The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
Tell me how this does not say that Muslims who simply acknowledge the Creator will be saved.””

This only has to do with the ignorant who accept a merciful God and who love unconditionally,not the radical muslims who reject Christ.You’re not reading the entire section of the Catechism.

Like this part....

848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.”

God is merciful! He does not condemn people to life without Him in Hell because they didn’t hear the Bible being read to them. According to this “logic”, every Old Testament figure is in hell. Every person in the Western Hemisphere up until 1500 is in hell. Every person in lower Africa and Asia is in hell until missionaries went there, in some cases, into the 1800’s. The Holy Spirit blows where HE wills, not where PSS says He blows. The Holy Spirit has written His law on everyone’s heart. The Gospel preached makes this law come more alive for us. But when a person loves, He has Christ abiding within him.

I have a question for you now ,Dear Brother?

I recently read an article about a 14 year old muslim girl who was sold into prostitution because her mother owed a loan of about $100.00.

The 14 year old girl said she did not want to be a prostitute but she said she loves her mother regardless of what happened to her and does not want her mother to be punished.

Are you going to say the young girl deserves hell because she is a muslim even if she has never heard about Christ?


258 posted on 09/07/2009 2:13:57 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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