Posted on 09/02/2009 10:13:08 AM PDT by NYer
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49 Cf. Council of Trent (1547): DS 1608.
50 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh III, 68,8.
“Every time a Catholic dips his fingers into the font and crosses himself, he remembers and embraces his baptismal vows for himself”
Beautiful.
Then were little children presented to him, that he should impose hands upon them and pray. And the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said to them: Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for the kingdom of heaven is for such. And when he had imposed hands upon them, he departed from thence.
Yep.
Nail. Head.
I have a minister friend who has a biker church twice a month that I attend. He performed my wife and I’s wedding. I asked him about baptizing our son when he was an infant and he said it wasn’t biblical. I was baptized as an infant and I did a little investigating on the subject and found this;http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/catechism/web/cat-13a.html.
I don’t know if it changed my friends mind but I do know it got him to think about it.
Gospel of John (3:5): I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
My stepfather has never been baptized. He is a good man from christian stock and my incessant prayer is that he will be baptized before he dies.
Could one of you that know the bible give me some examples of when Christ baptist with water. Thanks
Baptism has a twofold meaning: remission of sin and death and rebirth as a new creature. None of these, logically, require active participation of will. The idea that repentance is intrinsically connected to baptism is absurd. We cannot remit our sins, die and be reborn no matter how hard we try even as adults.
When you read verse 4 you see that Christ was not at all talking of baptism but of natural birth.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
You mean Christ personally? He didn’t baptize anyone so far as we know. The Apostles did, on His command, — I am sure you are aware of the scripture references to that. At least two I can think of specifically mention water.
Thanks for the info but that has nothing to do with my question. Your reply is appreciated anyway :)
Thank you that answers my question, it appears that Christ saved no one while on earth.
John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But One is coming who is more powerful than I. I am not worthy to untie the strap of His sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
In John 1:32, when Jesus was baptized, He was baptized in the water and the Spirit, which descended upon Him in the form of a dove. The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism. Also, Jesus baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted. Jesus baptism was instead a royal anointing of the Son of David (Jesus) conferred by a Levite (John the Baptist) to reveal Christ to Israel, as it was foreshadowed in 1 Kings 1:39 when the Son of David (Solomon) was anointed by the Levitical priest Zadok. See John 1:31; cf. Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:9; Luke 3:21.
We also see in John 3:3,5 that Jesus says, "Truly, truly, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." When Jesus said "water and the Spirit," He was referring to baptism (which requires the use of water, and the work of the Spirit).
Really? How about this:
Mat 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Perhaps Jesus had something in mind? His reference is to a spritual leader being referred to as 'father' which is precisely what Catholics do.
His words in John 3:5 speak of a physical birth and a spiritual birth. The former is what all of us go through, the latter only what believers go through. Baptism in water is not a requirement for salvation, it is the first act of obedience. The context of the passage is given in the next:
Jhn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Christ never baptised anyone, teaching His disciples to baptise as John had. It was a symbolic gesture to inform the Jews that they were distinguishing themselves from the old covenenat and becoming aligned with the new. In essence, dying to the world and becoming alive to God.
Oops, I’m sorry. I meant that comment for the OP.
So you don’t call your father or grandfather such, or even “poppy,” “pa,” or similar words? Those all have their origin in the Latin word “pater,” which means “father.”
So many strawmen, so little time.
The CONTEXT is spritual leader. Christ is specifically refuting a Pharasitical habit of calling the leaders "Rabbi", "Father", "Teacher" in matters dealing with scriptural teaching and mentoring.
Is this a difficult concept for you?
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