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America Magazine goes after Patrick Madrid for his response to Sr. Maureen Fiedler's post on Kennedy
patrickMadrid ^ | August 27, 2009 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 08/27/2009 10:41:06 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Patrick Madrid

Go get ‘em Pat.


21 posted on 08/27/2009 11:30:42 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: NYer
The Kennedys aren't practicing, practical Catholics. They appear to be either atheists or agnostics as they do not practice the tenets of their faith.

As the Democrat Party morphed into the party of death and progressive socialism, any Christian would have jumped ship. Not this slimeball family.

22 posted on 08/27/2009 11:50:01 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: kcvl

With those ear decorations hanging from her lobes and that vacant expression on her face, this misguided simple woman is hardly a nun.


23 posted on 08/27/2009 11:51:27 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: kcvl

Ah. That explains it. A dissident.

-Theo


24 posted on 08/27/2009 11:52:02 AM PDT by TeĆ³filo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: NYer
...social justice, peace, anti-racism work, gender equality, human rights and female ordination to the Catholic Church.

This woman doesn't seem to be much of a Catholic either.

25 posted on 08/27/2009 11:52:53 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: Patrick Madrid

Well done.


26 posted on 08/27/2009 11:54:08 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: NYer
Well, here we see the line drawn between American Catholics and folks who are happy to use the Church to provide cover (and funding) for their own radical agenda.

America's getting hammered in the comments section.

One thing I have NEVER understood -- why does the Church support as "charity" the practice of using the force of government to take people's money to apply it to government-approved "charity"?

It seems to me that that damages the Church in two ways.

First, it takes away from the Church any discretion in how charity is applied. Just look at how Obama has dissed the Church on matters of abortion, conscience clause, etc. If the money were going through the Church instead of the government, the Church actually would have a say in how it was spent. As it is, they just hope the government spends it wisely - often it doesn't.

Second, it discourages members from contributing directly to the Church. If the government is already taking half your paycheck in various taxes, fees, etc., there isn't that much left to give to the Building Fund or St. Vincent de Paul.

Seems to me that the Church is cutting its own throat every time it supports the "social action" instituted by the likes of Sinator Ted.

27 posted on 08/27/2009 11:55:26 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer

opposed the war in Iraq. Because his life (and the lives of others in his family) embraced the great Catholic social justice tradition,

I guess condoning the killing of 60 million little souls doesn’t enter into that “social” thingy. Maureen - you can HAVE that torch and on judgment day I don’t want to be within 10 feet of your sorry @ass!


28 posted on 08/27/2009 12:02:44 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: agere_contra

Bingo. Check this out...

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/08/26/ted-kennedy-healthcare-purgatory/

http://www.getreligion.org/?p=16963#hide

See the comments as well.

What do we expect after Communists, freemasons infiltrate and our ‘leaders’ water down the faith with the world council of churches?

God forgive me, I pray for all, but some I wish would leave... so obstinate are they. I guess there are lessons from everything, but it’s scandal bar none.

Pray for the church and our priests.


29 posted on 08/27/2009 12:08:15 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: kcvl

Something the sister should read about ‘social justice’, as the Lord said “The poor you will always have with you”.

Kennedy and Obama Care
Bookworm on Aug 26 2009 at 8:06 am | Filed under: Britain, England, Health

I said I wouldn’t blog about Kennedy himself and I’ll keep my word. I would like to point out something, though, about Kennedy’s health care, since word is out that the Dems have instantly leaped upon his death to advance their health care agenda. If anyone among the population is paying attention, this should backfire.

The fact is that Kennedy is a poster child for the chasm Congress hopes to create between “their” health care and ours. Kennedy was a man who abused his body fiercely throughout his life. Although he’d apparently given up the worst of his vices, he was still obese, which is a big no-no in the Nanny state. He had reached the demographic point of no return, since he, a male, was diagnosed with brain cancer after his 75th birthday. Lastly, he had an incredibly aggressive cancer which, absent the most sophisticated and expensive treatment, would have carried him off in months, not . . . what was it? Years? Kennedy survived, not because he got the Obama Care the Left is demanding for the rest of us, but because he got the best that American medicine is capable of providing.

More than that, Kennedy would have gotten his care even if he had become ill after Obama Care became a reality. This is because he is part of the nomenklatura. He was a high level party apparatchik. In the Soviet days, these guys always got good care, even if their stalwart comrades were lying two to a bed, no sheets, in a ward crammed with the sick and dying.

I forgot which talk show host (Limbaugh? Beck?) made headlines for saying that Steven Hawking would have been dead under the rationing that is both implicit and explicit in the various proposed health care bills. Many sneering opponents pointed out the obvious which is that, despite living in England, land of death panels, Hawking is, in fact, still alive. Sneering aside, Hawking is a perfect example of the unegalitarian realities of socialized medicine. Hawking became ill when he was already famous. The rich and powerful always get saved under socialized medicine, precisely so that, without ever having been subject to its statist cruelty, they can become poster children for the system.

Now, without Kennedy even being cold in his grave, and without socialized medicine having yet become the American reality, the Left is trying to turn Kennedy into a poster child for American socialized medicine, just as they’ve turned Hawking into the poster child for British socialized medicine. And just as Hawking’s poster child status is part of a big lie, I hope that the average American has the wit and knowledge to see that Kennedy’s status is too.

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/08/26/kennedy-and-obama-care/


30 posted on 08/27/2009 12:16:41 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: NYer

bttt


31 posted on 08/27/2009 12:20:27 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: NYer; AnAmericanMother
"Here we see the demarcation line drawn between American Catholics."

Ain't it the truth, NYer. "Sister Maureen Fiedler"....she's a "nun"!?!?!?!??!?!?! Hmmmm, well, Mother Angelica she ain't! Maybe a "whiskeypagan" or "episcopagan", but a Catholic nun....nuh-uh.
32 posted on 08/27/2009 12:32:09 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: allmendream

No. I actually heard the quote broadcast on Glen Beck’s show a while back. Miltojn Friedman, in a Seante session had just remonstrated with the audience that socialism had failed in every case where it had been tried in the last 6000 years. That quote was Kennedy’s arrogant response.

What a monster.


33 posted on 08/27/2009 12:33:50 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: kcvl; ArrogantBustard

Oy, this is a “nun”!??!?!?! Lawsa! Mother Angelica she ain’t! She wants women priests.....I recall John Paul II spoke on that issue but apparently “sister” didn’t get the memo.


34 posted on 08/27/2009 12:34:21 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Noumenon
Sorry, but after looking for the quote online I failed to come up with anything. If your only source for the quote is something you remember hearing on a radio show I will have to decline to accept it as accurate.

And why “6,000 years”? Socialism hasn't been an active political system anywhere near that long.

35 posted on 08/27/2009 12:38:52 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: AliVeritas

Well said.

http://www.michaelgraham.com/post/2009/08/26/The-Passing-Of-Senator-Kennedy.aspx


36 posted on 08/27/2009 12:50:11 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: allmendream

So don’t. I know what I heard, and it was unmistakeable.

As for your contention that socialism hasn’t been a political force for 6000 years, by adhering to a fairly narrow and rigid interpretation of that remark, you are technically correct but you’ve utterly lost the point and the significance in every other sense.

Men oppressing other men HAS been a recognizable force ever since humans decided to pursue agriculture. It’s the age-old face-off between those of us who wish to live our lives as we see fit and those who believe that it is their right and their duty to exercise dominion over every sphere of human thought and endeavor.

As a student of history and human nature, surely you must understand that.


37 posted on 08/27/2009 1:01:32 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: allmendream
A quick Google search turned up this result among many:

Ted Kennedy's moment of candor

38 posted on 08/27/2009 1:09:38 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: AliVeritas

In the excellent Danish film, “After the Wedding,” one of the main character is a very rich man dying of cancer of an unspecified nature. He has kept this secret and his wife has just found out about it. She is devastated and says that surely there is something to be done, “ In America they...” she begins before he cuts her off to make it clear there is no hope. That tells us tons about the reputation of American medicine. “The last best hope of mankind,” said Lincoln.


39 posted on 08/27/2009 1:44:44 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: NYer

Sign me up as a “Boor Who Demeans Ted Kennedy.”


40 posted on 08/27/2009 1:49:10 PM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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