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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy
Harley suggested that on the basis of the funeral given to Teddy we could deduce something about the abortion stance of the entire Church, right Harley?

Actually my inference was more to do with how the Church enforces its doctrine. They say one thing but then they do something else. As one example, they'll say they believe in abortion and "fight" against abortion, but in actually they do nothing to stop or sanction the teaching of abortions within their own Church. They put out a piece of paper that says one thing but they do nothing within their own walls to curb it. When people criticize what is going on, they say, "Ohhhhhh, we have a piece of paper and that makes everything right." Ted Kennedy was a big abortion proponent and yet the Church will probably go right ahead and give him a great send off. I could be wrong but we'll see tomorrow.

With all due respect, the "Church" is all phony with its mountain of rules and regulations that it never obeys. In my mind it's like the actions of the Pharisees.

236 posted on 08/27/2009 4:16:27 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Actually my inference was more to do with how the Church enforces its doctrine. They say one thing but then they do something else. As one example, they'll say they believe in abortion and "fight" against abortion, but in actually they do nothing to stop or sanction the teaching of abortions within their own Church. They put out a piece of paper that says one thing but they do nothing within their own walls to curb it. When people criticize what is going on, they say, "Ohhhhhh, we have a piece of paper and that makes everything right." Ted Kennedy was a big abortion proponent and yet the Church will probably go right ahead and give him a great send off. I could be wrong but we'll see tomorrow.
Sadly, Archbishop Chaput has indicated that it is the responsibility of the communicant to stay away from the Communion Rail. This is not correct. Rather, it is the responsibility of the Minister of the Eucharist to deny Holy Communion. This is a huge difference that goes against the Church's teachings [3] regarding canon 915 as well as recent statements from the Vatican stating that the manifest pro-abortion politicians must be denied, and the burden IS upon the Minister to deny, NOT upon the communicant to stay away.
-- from the thread Will Denver Catholic Archbishop finally enforce Canon 915?

Consider that Whipkey was jogging around a public high school. Consider also, which hasn't been reported in the press, is that there's a public elementary school and a public middle school to the south of the parish, both of which border the high school property. Unless Whipkey stayed on the public streets the entire time, he would have passed through the grounds of at least one public school (if not all three) during his naked jogging sessions at the high school's track. One account mentions that Whipkey went into an alley behind the rectory, which exits onto one of the school properties. Considering that Whipkey has a prior history of public nudity, if I were Chaput I'd ditch him immediately. But the archdiocese delayed sending documents to the court, Whipkey's lawyers had him plead innocent after Whipkey confessed to the cops, and Chaput sent him off for "some treatment" (which his superiors have done once before) which delayed the trial. Said behaviors on Whipkey's behalf [by the Archdiocese of Denver, while under Archbishop Chaput] trouble me more than anything.
-- Alex Murphy, April 2, 2008

It took the jury less than three hours to decide what to do with him. It's been almost exactly one year since his admission "I know what I did was wrong", and a decade since his boys' camp antics, and his archdiocese still hasn't decided what to do. There's a lesson in there somewhere.
-- Alex Murphy, June 13, 2008


237 posted on 08/27/2009 4:48:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone! Betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need!)
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To: HarleyD
The notion that

the RC edifice is pristine about abortion and homosexuality

is a fantasy further out of touch with reality than THE MATRIX or Walt Disney.

It's growingly evident that there's some rot in the picture somewhere. Things just don't stack up as alleged.

241 posted on 08/27/2009 8:44:03 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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