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To: arielguard

“Oh, good thing your here then. Please list them while referencing each work you’ve read, and quote a greater authority on proper interpretation of scripture.”

I can read the Bible for myself.

I’ll give you one: what is the basis for the “Eternal Virgin” claim? That is contradicted by the text.

Here’s another:

What is the basis for asking a saint for intercession when we are told in Thessalonians 4 that the dead are asleep to us? Do you remember what happened to Saul when he tried to talk to a dead Samuel?


19 posted on 08/22/2009 7:37:25 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

On a related note, doesn’t the premise of seeking intercession from those labeled saints profane the premise of there being one and only one Intercessor?


24 posted on 08/22/2009 10:16:10 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Favor Center; arielguard; TheFourthMagi
I can read the Bible for myself.

Read all you want but the Bible forbids private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). Can there be more than one interpretation of the Bible? No. The word "truth" is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word "truth" never appears in Scripture. Therefore, there can only be one Truth. That is why there are more than 30,000 christian denominations today and the number continues to grow (ELCA, for example). The assertion that individuals can correctly interpret Scripture is false. Even the "founder" of Sola Scriptura (Martin Luther), near the end of his life, was afraid that "any milkmaid who could read" would found a new Christian denomination based on his or her "interpretation" of the Bible. Luther opened a "Pandora's Box" when he insisted that the Bible could be interpreted by individuals and that It is the sole authority of Christianity.

What is the basis for asking a saint for intercession when we are told in Thessalonians 4 that the dead are asleep to us?

Eph. 3:14-1 tells us that we are all one family in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the "communion of saints." There cannot be a "communion" if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another. In 1 Tim 2:1-2, before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why? He explains this in 1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ's role as mediator.

Do you remember what happened to Saul when he tried to talk to a dead Samuel?

Recall 2 Macc. 15:12-16, where the high priest Onias and the prophet Jeremiah were deceased for centuries, and yet interact with the living Judas Maccabeas and pray for the holy people on earth.

In Matt. 17:1-3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30-31 – deceased Moses and Elijah appear at the Transfiguration to converse with Jesus in the presence of Peter, James and John (these may be the two “witnesses” John refers to in Rev. 11:3). Nothing in Scripture ever suggests that God abhors or cuts off communication between the living in heaven and the living on earth. To the contrary, God encourages communication within the communion of saints. Moses and Elijah’s appearance on earth also teach us that the saints in heaven have capabilities that far surpass our limitations on earth.

29 posted on 08/23/2009 4:41:44 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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