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To: topcat54

You Said:
That’s futurist speculation encouraged by modern events. As I have made clear modern secular Israel is not BIblical Israel so there is no way to tie the modern state to Bible prophecy.

In fact the modern state could disapear tomoorow without impacting any specific prophecy.

My Reply:
The events that led to the formation of the modern state of Israel, its challenges, and its existence today has too many instances in which its safety and security has existed against all odds. I have no doubt in my mind that God is behind its existence from 1948 to today. If you follow a natural frame of mind, the Jews should not exist today. If that happened, it would make God a liar, or not real. There is too much weight behind the existence of the Jews today. I have faith in God and have faith in his promises. That’s why I am so adamant about this.


49 posted on 08/24/2009 1:55:47 AM PDT by Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]
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To: Quix

ping!


50 posted on 08/24/2009 2:28:17 AM PDT by mitch5501 (Yeah,but is it shatterproof?)
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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field
The events that led to the formation of the modern state of Israel, its challenges, and its existence today has too many instances in which its safety and security has existed against all odds.

This is a pragmatic argument, not a biblical one. Given present circumstances, esp. the support of Israel by the United States and other military countries, the odds are not that great for the existence of secular Israel. It is a political state whose being and existence makes perfect sense to humanists and agnostics alike.

Biblical situations are undeniable by their very nature. There is no David vs. Goliath in the story of modern Israel. There is no Gideon and the 300 vs. the Midianites. In short, there is no proof from the Bible in the prophetic significance of modern, secular Israel. It is a nation not unlike other nations. But it is not the nation of the covenant.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.” (1 Peter 2:9,10)

55 posted on 08/24/2009 7:39:57 AM PDT by topcat54 ("If Israel is 'God's prophetic clock,' then dispensationalists do not know how to tell time.")
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