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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Alex Murphy
My answer: Revelation 7:1-8 blows that claim right out of the water. They will be 12,000 a piece from the 12 tribes of Israel.

Let's read the passage carefully and note it says NOTHING about 144,000 Jewish evangelists. That is a futurist fiction.

Israel will repent when all hope is lost.

The remnant of Israel is being saved today. It is the error of futurism to tie a massive conversion to some post-rapture "great tribulaiton".

44 posted on 08/21/2009 9:30:16 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: topcat54

Your Claim:
Let’s read the passage carefully and note it says NOTHING about 144,000 Jewish evangelists. That is a futurist fiction.

My Reply:
Then how else can you explain people coming to Christ during the Tribulation Hour? The only other thing I can think of is if people who are left behind go through their Christian relative’s belongings and read their books, watch their videos, and so on. Someone has to be here to actively pursue people who are on the earth who refuse to follow the Antichrist.

Aside from that, trained, Jewish ministers who are now Christians support my view.
The late Zola Levitt, Perry Stone, and many many others say that the 144,000 will evangelize during the tribulation.

You said:
It is the error of futurism to tie a massive conversion to some post-rapture “great tribulaiton”.

My Answer:
More people come to Christ when evil is most dominant. When times are good, I think less people come to Christ because people are too materialistic. Harsh experiences humble a person. That is just one explanation anyway.


48 posted on 08/24/2009 1:35:03 AM PDT by Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]
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