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To: MarkBsnr
Did I say Apostle? No. I said bishop. There was a bishop at Antioch, as there were in all the NT churches.

Please read back in the thread; the issue was about apostolic succession. Unless your position is that each bishop must be commissioned by the Apostles (or their direct line-of-decent successors)?

86 posted on 08/07/2009 6:26:33 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

***Did I say Apostle? No. I said bishop. There was a bishop at Antioch, as there were in all the NT churches.
Please read back in the thread; the issue was about apostolic succession. Unless your position is that each bishop must be commissioned by the Apostles (or their direct line-of-decent successors)?***

That is precisely the position of the Church. The episcopate is the collective body of all bishops of a church. In the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Rite Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, Old-Catholic,Moravian Church, and Independent Catholic churches as well as in the Assyrian Church of the East, it is held that only a person in Apostolic Succession, a line of succession of bishops dating back to the Apostles, can be a bishop, and only such a person can validly ordain Christian clergy. The succession must be transmitted from each bishop to a successor by the rite of Holy Orders. Bishops in valid Apostolic Succession compose the historical episcopate.

Paul had to be validly ordained by a bishop in the Apostolic Succession.


89 posted on 08/07/2009 6:34:50 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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