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To: PugetSoundSoldier

***But no Apostle gave authority to Paul; in fact, Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit when Ananais laid his hands on Paul; in fact, Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized. ***

There is a difference between baptism and consecration. Paul was baptized by Ananais. Acts 13:
Chapter 13
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1 Now there were in the church at Antioch prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Symeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who was a close friend of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
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While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
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Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they laid hands on them and sent them off.

In order to become bishops, only another bishop can consecrate them.

*** Jesus and the Holy Spirit gives each of us the power and authority; there is no apostolic succession of power and authority, for the story of Paul shows it to be from God, no need for man-to-man transfer.***

Acts says that your interpretation is wrong.


71 posted on 08/07/2009 5:39:46 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

So in Acts 9 until 13:3, we assume Paul did not have the power and authority of Jesus? His teachings in Acts 9 were in vain?

And where was the Apostle who commissioned Paul? They were at Antioch with prophets and teachers, not Apostles.


79 posted on 08/07/2009 6:12:39 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: MarkBsnr
There is a difference between baptism and consecration. Paul was baptized by Ananais. Acts 13: Chapter 13 1

1 Now there were in the church at Antioch prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Symeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who was a close friend of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
3 Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they laid hands on them and sent them off.

In order to become bishops, only another bishop can consecrate them.

You don't make a bishop out of an apostle...That would be like you guys making a cardinal out of your pope...

Act 12:25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.

Paul was aleady doing the work in Jerusalem that you are claiming was the work of a consecrated bishop...So your theoretical argument doesn't fly...

Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Prophets and teachers...No bishop or apostle layed their hands on Paul and consecrated him...Prophets and teachers...It could have been youth ministers and the youth...

You're missing the point and twisting it into something else...The confirmation (not to be a bishop but to proceed on another mission) was the witness of third parties receiving the message of the Holy Spirit as it pertained to Paul and Barnabas...

Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
Act 13:4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.

104 posted on 08/08/2009 2:27:28 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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