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To: annalex
Understand the difference?

I understand what you are getting at; however, I think the vocabulary you are using is problematic. A fact is testable, independently verifiable by any - even those who don't believe in the fact.

Everything you listed is simply taken on faith, and faith alone. We believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, not because it's recorded indelibly and without error, but because we believe it to be such. It's untestable, and as such cannot be a fact.

You can claim them as truths or articles of faith, but they are not facts. For if they are facts, what good is faith? Why is faith needed for something that is factual?

654 posted on 09/05/2009 6:50:59 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
they are not facts

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to witness it, it is still a fact that the tree fell in the forest.

There are many historical facts that we cannot test or independently verify. This doesn't make them any less facts.

what good is faith?

Faith is needed in order to receive the guidance of the Church, which at times is difficult.

659 posted on 09/06/2009 7:41:33 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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