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To: annalex
But why does this state of affairs emasculate the Scripture? The Catholic hermeneutics do not take away from the Scripture anything it contains, but it prevents charlatans from injecting their own opinions and traditions into the Scripture.

The only way Scripture can be interpreted is how the Church dictates; new revelations and truths from the Scripture cannot come without "approval" of Rome. The Bible becomes a resource for the Church's list of dogmas that make a true believer; it is a supporting document for the final word, which is the word written by the Church.

Thus you end up in situations where Jesus says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and that the only way to the Father is through Him, but the Church countermands that and states those who reject Christ or have never heard of Christ can be in Heaven (Muslims - every Muslim is aware of Jesus). You also end up with situations where you pray to others beyond Jesus, for their intercession with God. Both are in direct contrast to the actual words of Christ!

If the Pope mentally broke down, and tomorrow issued an ex cathedra writ stating that we were to consider Allah as the new god, then that would be that. It would be impossible to reject, it would be impossible to attempt to counter Biblically. In the eyes of the Church, that would be the new truth, regardless of what the Bible states. You cannot interpret Scripture outside the teachings of the Church, so if the Church teaches incorrectly, well tough.

Fundamentally, the Church has placed itself as god, and its writings above the Bible. Pride does not allow it to repent, and thus it continues on in error and sin.

630 posted on 09/04/2009 10:39:14 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; annalex

Suppose - and I hope it is unlikely, although I don’t know - the Pope explained tomorrow that, like the ELCA, he ‘understood’ that the teaching of scripture is that our love for each other supports homosexual behavior/ordination. After all, didn’t Jesus say, “1 Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?”

After all, who are we to condemn love, when we are sometimes unloving?

But, you say, scripture condemns homosexuality as sin!

Not to a faithful Catholic! Not if the Catholic Church interprets it in the way I describe. It is Sola Ecclesia - if the Church is the infallible interpreter of scripture, then scripture ‘says’ anything the church wants it to say.

And is my scenario any more far-fetched than Mariology, based on one verse in Luke using a past perfect participle before grace, and Eve in Genesis? Frankly, there is more scriptural basis for promoting homosexuality than there is for Mariology - although both are beyond believing for anyone who cares what scripture says.


635 posted on 09/05/2009 8:17:52 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
states those who reject Christ or have never heard of Christ can be in Heaven

The Church does not teach that. Read the Catechism. Christ is the only way to Heaven: there is no salvation outside the Church. Everyone in Heaven is in the Church. If a Muslim makes it to heaven, he is no longer Muslim, but rather Catholic Christian. You can refer to my numerous posts to you stating that on this thread, and I think both I and the author of the Catechism write quite clearly.

644 posted on 09/05/2009 11:25:26 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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