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To: kosta50; PugetSoundSoldier
At what "time" did God make that "conclusion"

He did that timelessly, of course. For God, to plan is to act. He is the Word, isn't He?

virtue of their Abrahamic faith

Let us be clear what that virtue is. It is an incomplete revelation of God through the ancient prophets, that the Jews received most directly and the Muslims received in some form as well (they, too, read the Old Testament). That is the plan, apparently, to have these concentric circles of truth around the Word fully revealed to the Church.

That's just a roundabout, politically correct way of saying "there is no salvation outside the Church," isn't it?

I often wish they indeed stayed with the simple formula, "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" and did not tinker with it. However, the elaboration of the Catechism that is under discussion has merits for the changed world. It more clearly explains that all nations and faiths are called to virtue, and everyone will receive a reward for virtue from Christ, often to his greatest surprise.

599 posted on 09/03/2009 9:28:55 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; PugetSoundSoldier
He did that timelessly, of course. For God, to plan is to act

That's sophistry, Alex.

Let us be clear what that virtue is. It is an incomplete revelation of God through the ancient prophets, that the Jews received most directly and the Muslims received in some form as well (they, too, read the Old Testament). That is the plan, apparently, to have these concentric circles of truth around the Word fully revealed to the Church

Alex, the Catechism clearly says all who "acknowledge" the Creator are in Gods plan of salvation. That's a much broader brush than just those who read the Old Testament.

However, the elaboration of the Catechism that is under discussion has merits for the changed world.

The elaboration of the Catechism is simply a roundabout way of saying everyone is called but only those who show up and become Catholic in will be saved.

and everyone will receive a reward for virtue from Christ, often to his greatest surprise

And if not? Who do we go after? You? It's easy for you to promise things you can't deliver, knowing you cannot be held accountable for your claims. So, I say prove it, or stop spreading rumors! I do understand that this is what you believe, and that's fine with me, but you are presenting your beliefs not as your faith but as fact.

603 posted on 09/03/2009 6:38:25 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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