Notice that the Church still calls on the man to repent of his sins and rejoin the Christian brotherhood. The Church does not condemn a man.
Which you used to "clarify" your quote of the anathema:
we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate
So the Pope and his 12 priests gather together with candles and robes of color, and chant and CONDEMN TO ETERNAL FIRE WITH SATAN those who are considered seriously ex-communicated.
If that is not the Church directly and openly condemning a man to Hell, then what the hell is? Did you not read the words which you quoted?
And you never addressed 846. It is extremely explicit:
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Are you willing to state categorically that you believe a non-Catholic Protestant can and be fully saved and enter into Heaven? Knowing full well that Protestants are considered heretics by the Catholic Church?
A simple yes or no is all that's needed. Sophistry to shade your answer or deflect isn't beneficial to the conversation.
Thought you guys might appreciate a ping to update...
***There are a lot of pretty words you wrote for the betterment of this evil, illegitimate Christian, but you betray your own writings:
Notice that the Church still calls on the man to repent of his sins and rejoin the Christian brotherhood. The Church does not condemn a man.
Which you used to “clarify” your quote of the anathema:
we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate ***
The ‘judge’ in this case means the belief of the Church, not the exercise of the Judgement of God, and it must be put into context with the next sentences which include the means to salvation including full repentence.
***So the Pope and his 12 priests gather together with candles and robes of color, and chant and CONDEMN TO ETERNAL FIRE WITH SATAN those who are considered seriously ex-communicated.
If that is not the Church directly and openly condemning a man to Hell, then what the hell is? Did you not read the words which you quoted?***
If you would understand the Catechism, you would read it as it was meant to be read, not chase the cherry picked Scriptural phrases of the various and sundry Protestant theologies which litter the landscape like leaves in the fall. Like Scripture, it must be read in context.
***And you never addressed 846. It is extremely explicit:
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.***
Odd, I thought that I spent half my prior post on it.
***Are you willing to state categorically that you believe a non-Catholic Protestant can and be fully saved and enter into Heaven? Knowing full well that Protestants are considered heretics by the Catholic Church?***
I am willing to state categorically that it is possible for the Lord God Almighty to Judge a non Catholic Protestant to salvation. Does this satisfy?
***A simple yes or no is all that’s needed. Sophistry to shade your answer or deflect isn’t beneficial to the conversation.***
It will be simpler to answer yes or no when you address the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ fully and not obliquely or inaccurately.