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To: annalex

Please explain that in light of Catechism 841 and 846.

I know what you teach, and reject some of it, and thus am a heretic and cut off from the church. I cannot be saved.

A Muslim terrorist - good old Ahmed who blows himself up killing worshiping Christians in Pakistan - will be in Heaven with you because he believes in the same God.

Fundamentally, your Church withholds salvation for those who are heretics, and that would include any who reject your mariology. Is this true or not? Can you state otherwise?

If I reject the concept of the ever-eternal virginity of Mary, am I not a heretic? And as a heretic, am I not cut off from the Catholic Church? And has not the Catholic Church said it is the means of salvation to the world?

If the answer is YES for all those questions, then regardless of how you want to spin it, your own dogma condemns Kosta50 and I to Hell. There is no way around it.


555 posted on 09/01/2009 11:11:00 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
You imply that there is some inconsistency in how the Church views the chances of a Muslim or a Christian heretic. In fact, there is none. Either kind can be sanctified through his works of love for God and his neighbor, and through repentance of sins of denial of Christ (in the case of a Muslim) or denial of Christ's Church and her doctrines (in the case of a heretic).

You mistake is to think that the content of your faith today, -- your denials and protestations -- determine your salvation in the future. They are, of course, not a good thing and they endanger your salvation. But your still have time till you are judged, according to your works, just like Catholic I, Orthodox Kosta or Muslim Achmed ibn Khattab have time to complete their conversion.

No one is completely saved till he is living. We all undergo conversion all our lives.

12... with fear and trembling work out your salvation. 13 For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will. 14 And do ye all things without murmurings and hesitations; 15 That you may be blameless (Phil. 2)

Applies to everyone. If you think the Catechism says anything different, point it out.

556 posted on 09/01/2009 11:23:19 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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