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To: Mr Rogers; aMorePerfectUnion
to venerate a saint means to give him honor, seek his prayers that he may pray for us, and imitate his virtues as they may apply to us in our lives.

There is nothing there to encourage us to pay attention to Mary. On the contrary, Jesus tells the woman to focus on God instead.

This is not what happened. Jesus did not stop the woman from venerating His mother, but instead He explained that the reason for venerating her is that she brought to us the Word, that is His own person. The woman's intention was to venerate her as the physiological mother of Jesus and He pointed out the spiritual dimension of the Incarnation instead. Firther, Jesus instructed us to likewise venerate all who keep the word of God, that is, all the saints.

No. See: http://www.studylight.org/com/bnn/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=012

The woman in Rev. 12 is identified as mother of Christ directly in the text. That her involvement in the battle is allegorical of the struggle of the Chruch for our souls, and that both Israel and the Church is typified by Mary no one is denying.

Nothing in there about her becoming a mother to us all...

Like I said to aMorePerfectUnion, this trivialization of the last words of Christ is not consistent with the cosmic event that is unfolding, nor with other instances where Mary is shown with all the disciples. Also, there is no "home" in the original. However, if you want to ignore the spiritual meaning and see the ecomomic arrangement for the welfare of Christ's mother only, well, that would be your interpretation, and I am blessed with mine.

From Barnes

In short, Mary reveals the thoughts of many hearts. How she does it, is indeed by either receiving their love or their hatred, the theme also seen in the Rev. 12 where Satan spews a river of calumnies against her. The lively response that threads about Mary get at FR is a reflection of that fact, that is it impossible to separate the love for christ from the love for His blessed Mother.

335 posted on 08/11/2009 4:21:34 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; aMorePerfectUnion

“The woman in Rev. 12 is identified as mother of Christ directly in the text.”

If there is any book of the Bible lacking in perspicuity, it would have to be Revelations. Can you produce the quote? I can’t find it.

It looks to me like you interpret 12.5 “5She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days” as meaning the woman is Mary, but if so, then after the 7th seal was broken, she became pregnant and gave birth to Jesus. And after Jesus ascended, she would have fled into the wilderness.

Also, in Revelations 2 we read, “18”And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write...25 Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.”

So I’m not inclined to believe it is referencing Mary, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.


340 posted on 08/11/2009 4:53:29 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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