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To: MarkBsnr
But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

Thew Jews pretty much know what messiah will be like: he will be mortal, human being, a warrior-king who will defeat Israeli's enemies and establish world peace and all the nations of the world will through him know (of) the God of Abraham.

A cursory search on Jewish messiah will yield biblical references to any of these and more knownfeaturesof him, such as that he must be of the David's line, that he must be Jewish, etc. Nothing much hidden about him except the date of his coming.

Again, the Jews don't consider the Christians anything even resembling family. The "elder brethren" is a one-way family affair, Mark.

And it's not that the Jews don't know or understand Christ (who understands Christ!?). They reject him! As they did for the last 2,000 years. >[? If there is anything all mainstream Jews have in common, no matter how liberal or orthodox they may be, it is their unequivocal and conscious rejection of Christ. Through baptism. The Jews are not baptized; they don’t need to be.

John the Forerunner (Baptist) would disagree with you! But, Mark, the original baptism wasn't anything close to that. Only Jews were called to be baptized.

Is Ann Coulter a Christian? Some days I’m not sure what she really believes; she thrives more on public notice than on consistency

Personally I think she is a recombinant android in need of some new software.

290 posted on 08/10/2009 11:10:20 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all <i>around</i> you)
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To: kosta50

***But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
Thew Jews pretty much know what messiah will be like: he will be mortal, human being, a warrior-king who will defeat Israeli’s enemies and establish world peace and all the nations of the world will through him know (of) the God of Abraham.

A cursory search on Jewish messiah will yield biblical references to any of these and more knownfeaturesof him, such as that he must be of the David’s line, that he must be Jewish, etc. Nothing much hidden about him except the date of his coming.

Again, the Jews don’t consider the Christians anything even resembling family. The “elder brethren” is a one-way family affair, Mark.***

Of course it is. We have attached ourselves to the Jews, not vice versa.

***And it’s not that the Jews don’t know or understand Christ (who understands Christ!?). They reject him! As they did for the last 2,000 years. >[? If there is anything all mainstream Jews have in common, no matter how liberal or orthodox they may be, it is their unequivocal and conscious rejection of Christ. Through baptism. The Jews are not baptized; they don’t need to be.

John the Forerunner (Baptist) would disagree with you! But, Mark, the original baptism wasn’t anything close to that. Only Jews were called to be baptized.***

By John, not by any devout and practicing Jew. This is a Christian thing, not a Jewish one.

***Is Ann Coulter a Christian? Some days I’m not sure what she really believes; she thrives more on public notice than on consistency

Personally I think she is a recombinant android in need of some new software.***

Perhaps. I do not look at her as Christian, at least not how I understand Christianity. She may galvanize the anti Democrat movement, which right now is not a bad thing, but although the enemy of my enemy may be an ally, I do not consider her a friend.


344 posted on 08/11/2009 5:25:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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