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To: Guyin4Os; Cronos
He came to be the savior for Israel, and also for the Gentiles. The Jew first, and also the Greek

Where does Jesus (not Paul) say (in his own words, as witnessed by those hwo were with him) that he was sent for the Gentiles as well? He doesn't. He is quoted as saying he was sent ONLY (I repeat, only) for the lost tribes of Israel, and he defines what that means when he tells (in his own words, again) to his disicples not to go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans ("apostate" Jews), but ONLY to the lost tribes of Israel.

What you are preaching is Paulianity, not Christianity.

245 posted on 08/10/2009 9:02:27 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50
What you are preaching is Paulianity, not Christianity.

Ah the ole "Paul vs. Jesus" allegation. I won't even address that one, except to say that Christ crucified is indeed quite a stumbling block.

But regarding the "...only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" passage is Matthew 22, when the Savior healed a Canaanite woman... a gentile.. whom he called a dog, and then praised her for her faith.

Yes, we Gentiles are the "lost dogs." And the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is pleased with us when we believe in Him and in His Son.

And as we have seen, some have a different understanding... ie.. that God is only pleased with a person if he is of the right blood... ie, a Jew... even an atheistic Jew.

249 posted on 08/10/2009 11:22:59 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: kosta50
Where does Jesus (not Paul) say (in his own words, as witnessed by those hwo were with him) that he was sent for the Gentiles as well? He doesn't. He is quoted as saying he was sent ONLY (I repeat, only) for the lost tribes of Israel, and he defines what that means when he tells (in his own words, again) to his disicples not to go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans ("apostate" Jews), but ONLY to the lost tribes of Israel.

What you are preaching is Paulianity, not Christianity.

Interesting take you have on the scriptures...Jesus was a Jew...Jesus came to the Jews only...Jesus told the Jew NOT to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles...

While I agree with you since the scriptures are very clear on that, I am surprised at the number of folks here who DO NOT attack you for that belief while they rabidly attack others for the same belief...

Apparently you accept the idea that Peter and Paul were legitimately given the Post Resurrection instruction to take the Gospel to the Gentiles then discredit Paul's ministry because he may have made most of it up since his preaching didn't come directly from the mouth of Jesus...

Most people it seems try to shove the two together (Jesus and Paul) making a big mess of the whole deal but you just eliminate Paul to solve the problem...

Like I said, interesting...

That's where WE Dispensationalists come in...We accept the teaching of Paul as coming from the mouth of the Risen Savior but some of us can see it doesn't mesh so well with the Gospels where Jesus came to the Jews only...

258 posted on 08/10/2009 3:14:27 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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