Posted on 08/07/2009 9:00:03 AM PDT by Teófilo
The problem is the other side feels the same way.
Ping to read later
Ya, that’s why Christ said “What soever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and what soever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
That was just for Peter’s lifetime, right?
Give up on the big rock, little rock nonsense.
It’s too easy to obliterate.
NO!
I don’t accept your assertion!
What is “longer than” Christ’s conferance on Peter?
That’s really quite good, T.
Yes, as a Catholic vividly interested in the Eastern Orthodox matters, I think you listed important fundamental distinctions with great lucidity. Even better, you managed to steer clear from superficial differences of praxis that often cloud the discussion.
You posted 2 min sooner but I wrote 2 sentences more.
Much of the difference between Orthodoxy and the Latin Church comes down to phronema, which manifests itself in both praxis and dogma. On the other hand, certainly by today its fair to say that Orthodox Christianity is the major determinant of the Eastern Christian religious and secular mindset and likely to a greater extent than Latin Christianity is today the determinant of the Western religious and secular mindset.
I'm sorry. Have you ever seen this?
Association of Hebrew Catholics
-Theo
Thank you. Coming from you, I am honored!
-Theo
“...Orthodox priests are allowed to marry...”
Do you mean that Orthodox priests can marry after they are ordained or that married men can become Orthodox priests (that’s the way it is in some of the Catholic rites I think)? Can Orthodox priests re-marry if they are widowed?
Freegards
Iesus Christus Vincit! ICXC NIKA!
-Theo
The Latin Church is far more engaged in culture and politics, as is evident in the arena of medical ethics. But I agree that in terms of everyday guidance, the Catholic are scandalously disobedient. I blame the Reformation for that.
:)
“Do you mean that Orthodox priests can marry after they are ordained or that married men can become Orthodox priests (that’s the way it is in some of the Catholic rites I think)? Can Orthodox priests re-marry if they are widowed?”
No marriage at all under any circumstances is allowed after ordination.
Someone earlier remarked that monastics can never marry. That’s not correct. Married men and women can enter a monastery, separately of course, and become monastics but it means the end of the marriage as a practical matter. It is sometimes seen among old married people in Orthodox countries.
My understanding is as follows. That there are priests and there are monks, and various stages inbetween.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_Eastern_Orthodox_monasticism
Priests are not allowed to marry after they have been ordained. But married persons are allowed to be ordained. It depends on the needs of a region and its liturgical members. The idea is I believe that once ordained, the priest is devoted to Christ and Christ’s community.
If a priest was previously married, then the priest is allowed to continue in the marriage and to continue producing children. Personally I have seen the benefit of married priest and their children to the Orthodox Church. Often children of priests go on to become monastics.
However, monastics can be ordained as priests if there is a need for a priest. These monastics who are then ordained as priests continue their celibacy.
I hope this presents an accurate explanation. Some of the other thread posters can certainly correct or expound on it.
Thank you.
To answer Ransomed’s question about a priest widower remarrying. I think it follows that remarriage is not allowed.
Thanks for the info, that is what I thought but I reckon it doesn’t hurt to ask the experts.
Freegards
I'm always confused when people try to bring pseudo logic into theology. Why would you believe in the passing of the power to bind and loose when it is mentioned neither in the Bible nor the creeds?
The Apostles founded the church. The foundation is finished. Paul said "like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it."
The church has no claim to the powers nor authority of the Apostles. All we can do is build on what was founded. What we build will be judged, but the foundation can not be judged because it is without flaw.
Point #5: Why stop at the Seven Ecumenical Councils and ignore the Western ones? Is this a similar line of thinking to that attached to Scripture which says that revelation ceased with the death of the last apostle? Did the authority of councils cease with the end of the last of the seven?
Point #7: The Orthodox deny that we are born in Original sin? Really? This is heresy, no? Then what's the point of Baptism? What sin is being removed from the soul with the sacrament? None? Then why bother?
Point #12: While Catholics would say that the “end of man is to serve God in this life to be reasonably happy in this life and completely happy in the next,......
"Be reasonably happy in this life"?? I'm not sure which Catholics would say this is an "end of man". The Church doesn't.
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