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To: jxb7076
I accept it on faith that both heaven and hell exist, but tend to believe hell is in the core of the earth which wasn't known then but we know it is molten and would appear as a lake of fire if the earth's crust were stripped off. Also it's "down", and would be from any point of the surface of the earth. How much of a curvature would be visible, I don't know as when you look at the ocean, I think you see a slight curvature. That doesn't explain its being forever as we're told the earth will eventually be burnt and all the works destroyed, also that the heavens would roll like a scroll which I don't understand. The earth may be thrown out of orbit and drawn into the sun. That doesn't last forever either, so there has to be more to it.

Or I could be way off and it's just metaphorical. As a spirit, being surrounded by fire and other evil entities would be most unpleasant, but after the resurrection, if a being found itself trapped there, the pain would last for as long as the earth lasts and possibly forever in some way.

As to heaven, I think it might be another dimension. Jesus ascended while witnesses could see him then disappeared in a cloud. The cloud *may* have been the door to another dimension or represent a mystery or concealment.

It seems reasonable that if heaven were someplace in the universe, Jesus would have kept rising until the witnesses could no longer see Him or headed in a different direction other than straight up which is relative to where they were standing and time of day. He ascended of his own power whereas Elijah was shown ascending in a chariot but I don't know if there's anything else about that.

The cloud could represent a mystery or hidden but must have looked real. There are other examples of clouds in the bible but I can't think of the context.

Maybe I should have kept my thoughts to myself because I'm no theologian for sure.

10 posted on 08/06/2009 8:31:00 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

I am glad you shared your thoughts. I am encouraged to conduct futher study on the subject. Thanks for sharing.


15 posted on 08/06/2009 8:50:48 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: Aliska
I have had similar thoughts, Jesus said the Kingdom of God was here but man could not perceive it..(paraphrased) Another dimension existing along with earth...When Jesus talked with Moses and (I forgot the other guy) and the apostles saw them, it could have been a window on the other dimension...Also could explain the New Jerusalem coming down to earth...God just opens the doorway for man to see it...just a thought....Old Testament prophets saw the heavens open and angels descending and going up..(Jacobs ladder) Another door opening.

Just some of my stranger thoughts. :O)

20 posted on 08/06/2009 10:08:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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