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To: xzins; Dr. Eckleburg
I do see a Christian church comprised of both gentiles and a Jewish remnant. Significantly, though, there are DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS for the 2 groups. That’s one of the dynamite revelations in Acts 15.
The apostles and elders met to consider this question.
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are"....

...."It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

Peter speaking, in Acts 15:6-11, 19-21

I don't see two standards being advocated here, xzins. I certainly don't see the apostles placing or advocating a higher or different set of expectations on the Jewish believers.

"Dual Covenant" Christian theology basically says, "Yes to all of that ... except when it comes to the Jews." According to this theological variant, the Jews, based on their special status as God's Chosen People, have their own, separate, covenant with God. They can achieve salvation by faithfully following the Law of Moses....

....Dual Covenant adherents argue that there is no need to preach to the Jews or to convert them, because they have already been saved. It accepts Judaism as it is. All other religions must convert to Christianity in order to achieve salvation. Opponents maintain that ALL people must hear the Gospel of Jesus and must reject other beliefs....

....if you buy into the Dual Covenant theory, that’s fine. You just can’t ALSO then go around trying to convert Jews, inviting them to your church and telling them they need to be perfected. At least, not if your theology is to remain internally consistent.

From the thread Ann Coulter and Dual Covenant Theology

"The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses," Hagee said. "I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.

"The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not," said Hagee....

-- from the thread Hagee denies belief in 'dual covenant theology'

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
- Galatians 3:26-29

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: "THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED."
That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
- Romans 9:6-8


30 posted on 08/04/2009 12:51:33 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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To: Alex Murphy
I don't see two standards being advocated here, xzins.

Expanded upon in #29 to Dr E with: Different allowances for the walk in Christ once in Christ.

Jews are not forbidden the continuing of their uniquely Jewish customs, and Gentiles are not required them.

28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things

Gentiles are not burdened "beyond."

These things with which they WERE burdened were not salvific. They were about post-salvation-by-grace-through-faith lifestyle.

Acts 21: 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality." 26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

As you can see, Paul, had a greater appreciation for the allowances still available to him as a Jewish Christian.

31 posted on 08/04/2009 1:37:52 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: Alex Murphy; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg
Is Peter recommending that gentiles worship YHvH on Shabbat ?

As his Word, our salvation, is preached on Shabbat.

NAsbU Acts 15:21 "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city
those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

32 posted on 08/04/2009 1:54:56 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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