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RU 486 Users Risk Automatic Excommunication: Vatican Responds to Italian Drug Agency Decision
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/3/09 | Hilary White

Posted on 08/03/2009 3:45:25 PM PDT by wagglebee

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The current head of the PAV, Archbishop Salvatore Fisichella said, "An embryo is not a bunch of cells. It is a real and full human life and to suppress it is a responsibility no one can take without fully realising the consequences."

Well said!

1 posted on 08/03/2009 3:45:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; Salvation; 8mmMauser

Pro-Life Ping


2 posted on 08/03/2009 3:46:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer; Pyro7480

Ping for your lists


3 posted on 08/03/2009 3:46:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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And more importantly an embryo is a soul.

Christ was fully God/fully Man from the moment of conception.

A Christian must understand this connection yet its not commonly part of the debate.


4 posted on 08/03/2009 4:00:18 PM PDT by lucias_clay (Impeach Odinga's Cousin)
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To: wagglebee

**Abortion on demand up to the end of the third month of pregnancy has been legal in Italy since 1978. It is estimated, however, that the nearly 70 per cent of doctors in Italy who are conscientious objectors to abortion will not prescribe the drug.**

Not quite enough doctors there — but maybe others will be swayed and have more joined their ranks.


5 posted on 08/03/2009 5:15:20 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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And more importantly an embryo is a soul.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It appears that the soul is created when a baby breathes on his/her own...

6 posted on 08/03/2009 5:35:49 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
remember clinton used executive order to reinstate the use of ru-486 and bush never rescinded it.
7 posted on 08/03/2009 5:56:27 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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Unfortunately "excommunication" doesn't exactly have the same impact it once had. People once feared God and took it seriously. The excommunicated would only see this as God rejecting them, instead of them rejecting God and his Commandments.
8 posted on 08/03/2009 6:18:47 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.aroodawakening.tv)
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It appears that the soul is created when a baby breathes on his/her own...

My son was born prematurely and needed to be on the ventilator to breathe.

9 posted on 08/03/2009 6:21:36 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.aroodawakening.tv)
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***I remember clinton used executive order to reinstate the use of ru-486 and bush never rescinded it.***

Bush did not eradicate all evil in the White House. He merely ended some of it. It is incumbent upon us all to ensure that the term that Obama has been elected to does not lead to another one. His actions thus far certainly help his next election loss. What say you all?


10 posted on 08/03/2009 6:31:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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It appears that the soul is created when a baby breathes on his/her own...

Psalm 139 -

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.

15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

11 posted on 08/03/2009 6:44:41 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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The current head of the PAV[Pontifical Academy for Life], Archbishop Salvatore Fisichella said, "An embryo is not a bunch of cells. It is a real and full human life and to suppress it is a responsibility no one can take without fully realising the consequences."

Fisichella, however, refused to state outright that these "consequences" include automatic excommunication. In an interview with Corriere della Sera, he said, "It is obvious that the canonical consequences are the same as for surgical abortion, this is known. But I do not want to make a declaration." Asked why not, he added that such a declaration would be "too easy".

The big problem is that modern technology is going to find a way to have dirt-cheap abortions and make millions of dollars doing this. We are going to get mass-produced abortions. We will no longer worry about a comparative handful of abortions: a million and a half a year. We will not know how many deaths will be administered. It may be twice as many; we will have no sure way of knowing. What we know is that it will be so unbelievably easy that the numbers of abortions will skyrocket. There is going to be no way to stop it by picketing. Besides, we will not have anyone specific to picket....

....There are tens of millions of men and women who will not vote to ban the sale of such a product. This is our problem. It is a political problem resting on a specific moral foundation: humanism. The problem is judicial. It is corporate. And finally, when the physicians are driven out of business by mass produced abortifacient, pro-lifers are going to face a new reality. They are going to realize that it is not abortion as such that is the problem. It is the problem of a society that has legalized abortion.

from the thread Letter To Paul Hill [part 8 of 13]:The Technology of Low-Cost Murder
12 posted on 08/03/2009 6:59:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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Kind of sad that this rule has to be made.


13 posted on 08/03/2009 7:14:13 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Iscool
You never learn.

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.

"Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations." Jeremias 1:5

14 posted on 08/03/2009 7:42:47 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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You never learn.

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.

"Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations." Jeremias 1:5

Oh, I forget...Some of you guys don't spend enough time in the scriptures to know that like God, humans have a body, a spirit and a soul...We were made in THEIR image...

And again;

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And even tho you can't figure it out, that doesn't disqualify the verses you guys posted...

15 posted on 08/03/2009 9:30:32 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: wagglebee

Pro-Life bump


16 posted on 08/03/2009 9:37:14 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: Iscool
And even tho you can't figure it out, that doesn't disqualify the verses you guys posted

Do you think that Christianity is some kind of clever puzzle that you have to "figure out," so you can pat yourself on the back while you congratulate yourself on how much smarter you are than the poor, stupid Catlicks?

That's what tradition is for, see. It's admitting that people other than Iscool are guided by the Holy Spirit and can make sense out of those passages that are "hard to figure out".

See how clear it can be:

"do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant" -- The Didache, circa AD 80.

Simple. Correct. And Biblical.

17 posted on 08/03/2009 10:37:01 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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Do you think that Christianity is some kind of clever puzzle that you have to "figure out," so you can pat yourself on the back while you congratulate yourself on how much smarter you are than the poor, stupid Catlicks?

Fact is, Christianity is pretty simple...Too simple for some...

As I see it, there are two keys in knowing what the scripture says...The first one is that you have to know some of the scripture...And the second one is you have to believe it...

And in my experience, most Catholic aren't real good at either one...

But no, it has nothing to do with intelligence or intellect...It has to do with wanting to know what God says to us...

That's what tradition is for, see. It's admitting that people other than Iscool are guided by the Holy Spirit and can make sense out of those passages that are "hard to figure out".

I didn't post any scripture that was hard to figure out...Often, the scripture is too hard for many to believe...

18 posted on 08/03/2009 11:17:49 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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Bishop Elio Sgreccia, a bioethics professor, author and former vice-president of the Pontifical Academy for Life (PAV) told Corriere della Sera newspaper, "This is a compound which kills the foetus and one much promoted by the pharmaceutical industry. It is an incitement to abort. It is absolutely unacceptable and leads to automatic excommunication."

This is an issue that Evangelicals and Roman Catholics are co-belligerents fighting. However, when has the RCC publicly excommunicated anyone who created these policies and supports abortion?

I know there are many fine Christians who have protested at clinics, offered counseling to pregnant women, and provide adoption services. It is at the top where only lip service is given, no real confrontation/consequences for those who create the laws, or support them.

19 posted on 08/04/2009 7:20:02 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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"This is a compound which kills the foetus and one much promoted by the pharmaceutical industry. It is an incitement to abort."

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Tempting someone to sin is in itself a sin.

20 posted on 08/04/2009 7:25:23 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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