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To: kosta50
I think there is a subtle difference between knowing and believeing that is often lost in translation...

You know, I once attended an 'Aish HaTorah Discovery Seminar. The speaker said "Faith is wrong." The reason is that the Torah commands Israel to know these things.

Well, can you provide the proof that God is the author of scripture?

This argument about "believing" vs. "knowing" whether or not G-d is the author of Scripture is a bit silly considering that you don't even "believe" that G-d is the author. Shoot, you may not even "believe" that G-d exists since the "authentic chr*stianity" to which you subscribe is by your own admission a "fourth century" construct whose "truth" lies exclusively in the fact that it "changes lives."

However, it can be (and has been) proven statistically that the author of the Torah is not a human being but had supernatural knowledge of the future from the references encoded in it at ELS's of which are statistically far beyond mere coincidence.

Which Catholics deny (believeing) Jewish miracles?

Every Catholic who insists that "new testament" miracles "really happened" while "old testament" ones are mythology. A bit dishonest on your part since you don't believe in miracles at all.

69 posted on 07/27/2009 8:25:40 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Ani hagever ra'ah `ani, beshevet `evrato!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You know, I once attended an 'Aish HaTorah Discovery Seminar. The speaker said "Faith is wrong." The reason is that the Torah commands Israel to know these things

Knowldge by command, hmmm. The book says so. It must be true.

This argument about "believing" vs. "knowing" whether or not G-d is the author of Scripture is a bit silly considering that you don't even "believe" that G-d is the author

It's not an argument. If you say you believe it, that's fine with me. I can't argue with people's beliefs any more than I can argue with their tastes. But if they claim they know something for a fact, then I ask for proof.

The burden is not on me. The burden is on the one making extraordinary claims. priori assumed as something objectively real is irrelevant.

However, it can be (and has been) proven statistically that the author of the Torah is not a human being but had supernatural knowledge of the future from the references encoded in it at ELS's of which are statistically far beyond mere coincidence

Well, apparently, that too is not something we cite as proof very often is it? because there are flaws in that proof, right? It's not like a proof of gravity (that no one doubts), is it?

Every Catholic who insists that "new testament" miracles "really happened" while "old testament" ones are mythology

I have never met a devout Catholic (or any other Christian) who doubted any of the alleged miracles in the Old Testament. In fact, most of the prophesies believed true in the New Testament are stitched together from various parts of the Old Testament. So, I am not sure where you are getting this notion from.

70 posted on 07/27/2009 12:31:27 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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