[MarkBsnr]

***But even so; where is the claim of divinity?
What do you mean, but even so...You just went thru a big diatribe claiming that there was no divinity shown for Jesus because creation wasn’t BY Jesus, but For Jesus...***

Why are you getting it wrong again? My ‘diatribe’ was one example of many that indicate subordinationalism and not the divinity of Jesus. My claim is that, and is supported entirely by Scripture and neither the Synoptic Gospels nor Paul contradict that with any veracity.

Without the Magisterium, YOPIOS can go any way whatsoever.

[boatbums]

Glad you finally came out and admitted it. You believe all Christians MUST accept the Catholic Church's magisterial teachings on all things pertaining to doctrine and you try to show the insufficiency of sola scriptura. You could not be more incorrect. Relying on men studying, discussing, fighting, arguing and ultimately stating dogma that must be now forever more accepted as infallible dogma totally disavows the entire purpose of divinely inspired Scripture and the role of the Holy Spirit's revelation and illumination of that truth to believers.

You stated in an earlier thread that until the Gospel of John was written, Christians did not acknowledge the divinity of Christ. You attempted to show that the apostle Paul never mentioned it, but you forget a very important detail. The gospel of John may have been written at a later date than other scriptures, but all that means is that the spoken words of Jesus, as remembered by John, were recorded in a manuscript.

The fact is that Jesus SPOKE those words many years earlier. They were taught in the churches by the apostles and disciples long before they were formally written down and gathered together in one source. Jesus Christ said himself that he was God incarnate. Many times, his words and actions provoked the religious leaders to take him down because they knew he was claiming to be the Messiah, claiming to be God.