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To: Iscool

***It’s a curious thing that you claim there is no evidence of the Trinity in the scriptures and your religion ‘developed’ the doctrine 400 years after the fact...***

Actually, I have been claiming that there is no clear statement of the divinity of Jesus in the Synoptics or in Paul; it is only in John that the first statements occur.

***Notice the terminology here, too. All things were created in Him. Not by Him. All things were created through Him and for Him and not by Him.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:***

Ephesians 3:
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To me, the very least of all the holy ones, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the inscrutable riches of Christ,
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and to bring to light [for all] 5 what is the plan of the mystery hidden from ages past in God who created all things,
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so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the principalities and authorities 6 in the heavens.
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This was according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
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in whom we have boldness of speech and confidence of access through faith in him.

Nothing of the divinity of Christ here. God accomplished His eternal purpose in Jesus. Sounds like Paul is calling Jesus a messenger boy to be sent to accomplish a task.

Colossians 1:
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6 He is the image 7 of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
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For in him 8 were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created through him and for him.

In Him were created; all things created through Him and for Him. No divinity here; you are arguing for subordinationalism and I’m not sure that you want to do that.

***You obviously don’t get your information from the Bible...***

Look again. You may be surprised.


1,685 posted on 10/26/2009 4:19:35 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
***Notice the terminology here, too. All things were created in Him. Not by Him. All things were created through Him and for Him and not by Him.

9 and to bring to light [for all] 5 what is the plan of the mystery hidden from ages past in God who created all things,

Sorry Charlie...I see you're quoting the Douay Rheims book...And this is to show that nothing was created by Jesus, but God???

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Not only is it clear in the Majority Texts that Paul wrote that Jesus was the creator,

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

it's clear you are being dishonest in not following up on Jerome's faulty interpretation to where he sets the record more right...

This is from your Catholic bible;

Col 1:16 For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers. All things were created by him and in him.
Col 1:17 And he is before all: and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may hold the primacy: Even Jerome knew Jesus was the creator...What happened to you???

Of course Jesus was divine and Paul preached it...

1,688 posted on 10/26/2009 4:53:17 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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