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To: Iscool

***I don’t have a religion. The Trinitarian doctrine took hundreds of years to formulate and understand. It is difficult; so very difficult that a large portion of Protestants fail in that understanding even today.

It’s a pity the Apostle Paul wasn’t around when your church ‘formulated’ the doctrine of the Trinity...I’ll bet he would have liked to have known what it was all about...***

I think that he would. For instance, Paul never referred to Jesus as divine. Not once in his writings. Also, he did not refer to the Holy Spirit. For example, we have 1 Timothy 5:
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I charge you before God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels to keep these rules without prejudice, doing nothing out of favoritism.

Did Paul not know about the Holy Spirit? And what about subordinationism? Like the Synoptics, God the Father is often portrayed as superior to Jesus. Galatians 4:
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But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman,

***So Jesus tells the Apostles that He and the Father are one...And they say, huh?, We don’t get it...Maybe in a few hundred years someone will figure it out...***

That’s the point. They didn’t get it. Paul wrote first and his Christology is certainly not explicit of even Christ’s divinity, much less addressing the Holy Spirit. The Synoptics, written later, get further into it and John, written last, gets more explicit; yet it took several hundred years and several hundred excommunications to actually write down and define what the Trinity actually is.

And many or possibly most self described Christians still don’t get it.


1,630 posted on 10/23/2009 5:10:37 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

“For instance, Paul...did not refer to the Holy Spirit...Did Paul not know about the Holy Spirit?”

Time to break out your Bible, blow off the dust and delve in!

A partial list:

” 9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.” - Romans 8

“16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.” - same

Rom 1:4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Rom 5:5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

1Cr 2:10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.

1Cr 2:11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

1Cr 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

1Cr 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.


1,636 posted on 10/23/2009 9:05:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Paul wrote first and his Christology is certainly not explicit of even Christ’s divinity, much less addressing the Holy Spirit.”

From a less dusty copy, in about 30 seconds of looking:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. - col 1

8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

1Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

2 We give thanks to God always for all of you, constantly mentioning you in our prayers, 3remembering before our God and Father your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. 4For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, 5because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction.


1,637 posted on 10/23/2009 9:11:19 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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