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To: topcat54
Messianism has largely thrown off 2000 years of Christian tradition in favor of a newly discovered approach to the Bible which seems to pit the Jewish traditions against the Church.

I will have to respectfully disagree. I see the "newly discovered approach to the Bible" as a returning to the original approach to understanding the Scriptures.

The apostles and first believers were Jews that were zealous for the Torah (Acts 21:20) and did not forsake their Judaism. For example, Paul was to show this truth by taking a Nazarite vow and paying for the sacrifices for 4 other Jews as the Torah prescribed to show "that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the Torah." (Acts 21:24)

Regarding the Gentile believers they were admonished to "keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality." (Acts 21:25) These behavior changes allowed Gentiles to enter into fellowship with Jewish believers and attend the synagouge for teaching and understanding the Torah.

Yahshua is the only connection Gentile believers have to the Torah as we are grafted into the tree of Israel.

Ephesians 2:12-13
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

It is through the Living Torah (Yahshua) that we can understand and live out the written Torah (the word that became flesh); and that only by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Learning the Scriptures from a Hebraic mindset and the traditions of the first believers brings depth and enlightenment of the love of the Father. Understanding the foundation upon which we stand is critical, and this foundation is found in Yahshua who is a Jew...He is the perfect Rabbi.

20 posted on 07/24/2009 11:22:32 AM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: JesusBmyGod
I will have to respectfully disagree. I see the "newly discovered approach to the Bible" as a returning to the original approach to understanding the Scriptures.

There is little evidence of that. The apostolic emphasis was to build Christ's Church, Jews and gentiles together without regard to ethnic/cultural distinctions. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal. 3:28,29)

Christ broke down the middle wall of partition (Eph. 2:14) which some messianics seem to desirous to rebuild by a return to those portions of the old covenant law that have passed away (Heb. 8:13).

24 posted on 07/24/2009 5:49:45 PM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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